If he doesn’t want it he really needs to redo the join page cause it screams act as I wish or be punished
The bit you’re referring doesn’t say anything about an autobanning system planned.
Again only if it’s downvoting things the admins like
I don’t think you get this.
If say, lemmy.sdf.org admins encourages its own users to go and mass-downvote users on, say, lemmy.blahaj.zone - what do you think the likely outcome is for lemmy.sdf.org reputationally on the fediverse?
The bit you’re referring doesn’t say anything about an autobanning system planned.
As I said it screams act like I wish or be punished on piefed
If say, lemmy.sdf.org admins encourages its own users to go and mass-downvote users on, say, lemmy.blahaj.zone - what do you think the likely outcome is for lemmy.sdf.org reputationally on the fediverse?
Based on shit just works and certain users absolutely nothing unless it’s against things that make the democratic party look good.
I’m not even being hypocritical it’s things that have happened specifically because people were/are angry when they learned lemmy was made by communists.
Hence why people see certain parts of piefed as being censoring as it’s some of the worst parts of reddit being brought back
No, it explains the logic behind the reputation system. The purpose is as I said, to isolate trolls, which 9/10 they absolutely are.
Are the admins of shi.itjust.works specifically openly encouraging and endorsing mass vote manipulation of users or communities on other instances? Or are individuals doing it on their own?
No it’s saying do this or else. There are many better ways to detect trolls then this, it’s just a flawed way to try an encourage specific behavior.
There are mods and comms designed to do it with admins doing nothing as it targets those they don’t care about about. (ie it’s okay because it just targets the evil users of ml like cowbee)
Lemmy world admins and mods have done it for users they called trolls who were just posting news they didn’t want to see. Hell they specifically worked out a way to avoid taking action on the mod that was doing stuff like that because the mod was willing to do it
Goat is one user. For comparison, do you have an example of someone on the opposite side, or downvoting en masse or drama-baiting for different causes?
Moreover, I would submit that a user downvoting a lot and getting repeatedly banned from other communities and instances for it is quite different to an instance specifically organising downvote raids comprised of multiple users and alt accounts. Does Goat load up alt accounts to downvote?
Where did I say he was, it was an example of admins being okay with terrible behavior because they do it for them.
For comparison, do you have an example of someone on the opposite side, or downvoting en masse or drama-baiting for different causes?
Goat is multiple accounts and runs comms specifically to do exactly that. See meanwhile on grad on shit just works.
Moreover, I would submit that a user downvoting a lot and getting repeatedly banned from other communities and instances for it is quite different to an instance specifically organising downvote raids comprised of multiple users and alt accounts.
But piefed world help them do that. And as long as they upvote equally or more than they downvote would be considered better than those downvoting or that have content being downvoted.
The point is piefed is built in a way that is easy to game just like reddit.
Honestly at this point I don’t know if explaining poorly or the point is intentionally being missed due to your relationship with the piefed creators
Where did I say he was, it was an example of admins being okay with terrible behavior because they do it for them.
Jordan Lund just runs some local lemmy.world communities. Big communities, and maybe he runs them badly - and lemmy.world absolutely took reputational hits for it.
Goat is multiple accounts and runs comms specifically to do exactly that. See meanwhile on grad on shit just works.
Right, but is he a part of the sh.itjust.works administration? Does he use those accounts to double-vote negatively against users he doesn’t like across the fediverse?
But piefed world help them do that. And as long as they upvote equally or more than they downvote would be considered better than those downvoting or that have content being downvoted.
I can assure you that if an instance opened up on piefed that was being used by the administrators of that instance to target a particular user or users with repeated downvotes or instance via multi-accounting or just general bloc downvoting via multiple people that I could call for its defederation.
If he doesn’t want it he really needs to redo the join page cause it screams act as I wish or be punished
Again only if it’s downvoting things the admins like
The bit you’re referring doesn’t say anything about an autobanning system planned.
I don’t think you get this.
If say, lemmy.sdf.org admins encourages its own users to go and mass-downvote users on, say, lemmy.blahaj.zone - what do you think the likely outcome is for lemmy.sdf.org reputationally on the fediverse?
As I said it screams act like I wish or be punished on piefed
Based on shit just works and certain users absolutely nothing unless it’s against things that make the democratic party look good.
I’m not even being hypocritical it’s things that have happened specifically because people were/are angry when they learned lemmy was made by communists.
Hence why people see certain parts of piefed as being censoring as it’s some of the worst parts of reddit being brought back
No, it explains the logic behind the reputation system. The purpose is as I said, to isolate trolls, which 9/10 they absolutely are.
Are the admins of shi.itjust.works specifically openly encouraging and endorsing mass vote manipulation of users or communities on other instances? Or are individuals doing it on their own?
No it’s saying do this or else. There are many better ways to detect trolls then this, it’s just a flawed way to try an encourage specific behavior.
There are mods and comms designed to do it with admins doing nothing as it targets those they don’t care about about. (ie it’s okay because it just targets the evil users of ml like cowbee)
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=86080
Lemmy world admins and mods have done it for users they called trolls who were just posting news they didn’t want to see. Hell they specifically worked out a way to avoid taking action on the mod that was doing stuff like that because the mod was willing to do it
https://lemmy.world/post/36621226
What ways would you suggest to isolate trolls?
Jordan Lund wasn’t downvote trolling.
Goat is one user. For comparison, do you have an example of someone on the opposite side, or downvoting en masse or drama-baiting for different causes?
Moreover, I would submit that a user downvoting a lot and getting repeatedly banned from other communities and instances for it is quite different to an instance specifically organising downvote raids comprised of multiple users and alt accounts. Does Goat load up alt accounts to downvote?
Simply looking at frequency and speed.
Where did I say he was, it was an example of admins being okay with terrible behavior because they do it for them.
Goat is multiple accounts and runs comms specifically to do exactly that. See meanwhile on grad on shit just works.
But piefed world help them do that. And as long as they upvote equally or more than they downvote would be considered better than those downvoting or that have content being downvoted.
The point is piefed is built in a way that is easy to game just like reddit.
Honestly at this point I don’t know if explaining poorly or the point is intentionally being missed due to your relationship with the piefed creators
Trolls are not always frequent at all.
Jordan Lund just runs some local lemmy.world communities. Big communities, and maybe he runs them badly - and lemmy.world absolutely took reputational hits for it.
Right, but is he a part of the sh.itjust.works administration? Does he use those accounts to double-vote negatively against users he doesn’t like across the fediverse?
I can assure you that if an instance opened up on piefed that was being used by the administrators of that instance to target a particular user or users with repeated downvotes or instance via multi-accounting or just general bloc downvoting via multiple people that I could call for its defederation.