Rimu doesn’t like that communist views are common here, and is developing a platform where it’s easier to shut out those views.
It’s also easier to “shut out” capitalist views by the same blocking tools.
Part of that involves baking the censorship in as defaults for any unsuspecting new instance admin. When a feature on PieFed is made to shut out speech in a way Lemmy does not, it needs to be analyzed from that context, not in a vacuum…
Okay, but that’s not relevant specifically to the blocking dispute. Piefed does a lot of things different way beyond that and way beyond the interpretation of blocking. I also feel like I’ve interacted with Rimu a lot more than you, by the way.
Rimu isn’t developing tools to shut out capitalists because Rimu doesn’t have a problem with capitalists. I’m aware that anyone can use the blocking tools, my point is that the purpose of developing a tool that is easier to censor with is to support the views of the creator, that has already shown bias in the code by default blocking Hexbear and Lemmygrad. You probably have interacted with Rimu more than me, I’ve seen enough to build my conclusion that it’s easier to censor on PieFed and the motive behind these differences is largely ideological.
Rimu isn’t developing tools to shut out capitalists because Rimu doesn’t have a problem with capitalists.
The blocking tool no more shuts out communists than it does capitalists.
I’m aware that anyone can use the blocking tools, my point is that the purpose of developing a tool that is easier to censor with is to support the views of the creator
This is just baseless conjecture. You have no idea why Rimu implemented that tool like that.
You probably have interacted with Rimu more than me, I’ve seen enough to build my conclusion that it’s easier to censor on PieFed and the motive behind these differences is largely ideological.
It’s baseless prejudiced conjecture when it comes to the blocking tools. It may surprise you to know that most functions on Piefed aren’t designed with the specific idea of sticking it to communists.
I’m aware that anyone can use the blocking tools, my point is that the purpose of developing a tool that is easier to censor with is to support the views of the creator, that has already shown bias in the code by default blocking Hexbear and Lemmygrad. I don’t believe it’s a stretch to say that the way Rimu is developing PieFed is specifically to counter problems they have with Lemmy, including the large amount of communists.
I’m aware that anyone can use the blocking tools, my point is that the purpose of developing a tool that is easier to censor with is to support the views of the creator
This simply does not follow when we’re talking about “views of the creator”. Keep insisting this and I’ll say it right back.
that has already shown bias in the code by default blocking Hexbear and Lemmygrad.
You could absolutely make that claim regarding Hexbear and Lemmygrad being defederated by default on new Piefed instances, but you cannot extend this claim to anything else on the software. That it has more tools for instance admins and a different blocking philosophy has nothing to do with this.
I don’t believe it’s a stretch to say that the way Rimu is developing PieFed is specifically to counter problems they have with Lemmy, including the large amount of communists.
You know it’s possible to have issues with Lemmy as software beyond just opposing the worldview of the owners, right?
Moreover, it’s also possible that Rimu just wanted to make his own regardless of Lemmy, right?
You start from the premise that RImu’s entire motive in everything he does here is purely to try to censor communists and nothing else. You then interpet every single different implemention of a feature or function within Piefed as being an extension of that motive.
I have spoke to him many times about all of these functions we’re referencing here, and it all has nothing to do with anything you’re alleging here at all.
I start from the premise that Rimu is building an alternative to Lemmy because of issues he has with Lemmy, which includes the prominence of communists here. I do interpret everything in the context of that motive, yes, because features don’t exist in a vacuum.
Further, my original point is that PieFed is more prone to censorship than Lemmy is by design, which is true, so I’m not sure why you’re trying to hard to laser-focus on one tiny point I made and ignoring the broader point.
I start from the premise that Rimu is building an alternative to Lemmy because of issues he has with Lemmy, which includes the prominence of communists here.
How do you know that’s his only reason for building it - to start off with?
I do interpret everything in the context of that motive, yes, because features don’t exist in a vacuum.
So when Rimu implemented Flairs and Feeds and Community Migration and Events - that was purely to try and mitigate Communist influence?
Further, my original point is that PieFed is more prone to censorship than Lemmy is by design, which is true
Correct, in the sense that instance administrators have more tools to isolate and ban people as compared to Lemmy instances - and the prime reasons here are mostly to mitigate AI posting, trolling, spam and bigotry.
It’s also easier to “shut out” capitalist views by the same blocking tools.
Okay, but that’s not relevant specifically to the blocking dispute. Piefed does a lot of things different way beyond that and way beyond the interpretation of blocking. I also feel like I’ve interacted with Rimu a lot more than you, by the way.
Just saying.
Rimu isn’t developing tools to shut out capitalists because Rimu doesn’t have a problem with capitalists. I’m aware that anyone can use the blocking tools, my point is that the purpose of developing a tool that is easier to censor with is to support the views of the creator, that has already shown bias in the code by default blocking Hexbear and Lemmygrad. You probably have interacted with Rimu more than me, I’ve seen enough to build my conclusion that it’s easier to censor on PieFed and the motive behind these differences is largely ideological.
Would also say anyone who goes to meanwhile on grad and has positive interactions with the users there is entirely sus
https://lemmy.world/post/35086986/19071974
Yep, it’s funny seeing db0 complain about people taking things out of context when that’s all MoG does.
Even people in this thread doing exactly that in response to being shown the thing they moved to is just as censoring just in ways they like.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/23385220
Yep, they should just admit that they are moving to a place that better reflects their views, not that it censors less.
That would defeat the purpose though 😭
Lol yea.
The blocking tool no more shuts out communists than it does capitalists.
This is just baseless conjecture. You have no idea why Rimu implemented that tool like that.
It’s baseless prejudiced conjecture when it comes to the blocking tools. It may surprise you to know that most functions on Piefed aren’t designed with the specific idea of sticking it to communists.
I’m aware that anyone can use the blocking tools, my point is that the purpose of developing a tool that is easier to censor with is to support the views of the creator, that has already shown bias in the code by default blocking Hexbear and Lemmygrad. I don’t believe it’s a stretch to say that the way Rimu is developing PieFed is specifically to counter problems they have with Lemmy, including the large amount of communists.
This simply does not follow when we’re talking about “views of the creator”. Keep insisting this and I’ll say it right back.
You could absolutely make that claim regarding Hexbear and Lemmygrad being defederated by default on new Piefed instances, but you cannot extend this claim to anything else on the software. That it has more tools for instance admins and a different blocking philosophy has nothing to do with this.
You know it’s possible to have issues with Lemmy as software beyond just opposing the worldview of the owners, right?
Moreover, it’s also possible that Rimu just wanted to make his own regardless of Lemmy, right?
I don’t think you can judge individual aspects of a broader project and pretend they are entirely distinct and unrelated.
You start from the premise that RImu’s entire motive in everything he does here is purely to try to censor communists and nothing else. You then interpet every single different implemention of a feature or function within Piefed as being an extension of that motive.
I have spoke to him many times about all of these functions we’re referencing here, and it all has nothing to do with anything you’re alleging here at all.
I start from the premise that Rimu is building an alternative to Lemmy because of issues he has with Lemmy, which includes the prominence of communists here. I do interpret everything in the context of that motive, yes, because features don’t exist in a vacuum.
Further, my original point is that PieFed is more prone to censorship than Lemmy is by design, which is true, so I’m not sure why you’re trying to hard to laser-focus on one tiny point I made and ignoring the broader point.
How do you know that’s his only reason for building it - to start off with?
So when Rimu implemented Flairs and Feeds and Community Migration and Events - that was purely to try and mitigate Communist influence?
Correct, in the sense that instance administrators have more tools to isolate and ban people as compared to Lemmy instances - and the prime reasons here are mostly to mitigate AI posting, trolling, spam and bigotry.