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jankforlife@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 1 day ago

One of these is an authoritarian imperialist empire, the other is China

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One of these is an authoritarian imperialist empire, the other is China

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  • TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works
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    It’s possible for two things to be true at once.

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      Hell, I think 3 or 4 things can be true at once. I just remembered that bunnies have two ears. That is another thing that can be true, so 4 or 5.

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      • Or neither
      • Or one
      • Or the other
      • Next time make an actual point instead of blurting out thought-terminating clichés
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      It’s also possible to try using your brain instead of just regurgitating imperial propaganda uncritically, but here we are

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        Could you restate this?

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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          like fix the grammar?

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            “try using whatever your brain instead of”

            Does not parse

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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              I was gonna be snarkier, and forgot to delete whatever :)

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      It’s possible for you to not talk solely in rote, word for word, recitation of thought terminating cliches, and yet you don’t.

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      I would love for you to actually make a claim rather than this meaningless bullshit.

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      True.

      1. European nations gleefully join with USAmerica-led invasions against other countries and talk about Freedom n Democracy
      2. But they think it’s against Freedom n Democracy when USAmerica just mentioned an invasion directed against them

      Both true

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      The World isn’t the West. China is an enemy of choice for the West due to racism, otherwise it poses no threat.

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        China is a threat to Africa, trying to buy land for military bases from African countries. China is constantly trying to expand and dominate its culture. If that isn’t the definition of imperialism, I don’t know what is.

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          You clearly don’t know. I suggest you read about France’s parasitic relationship to Central and Western Africa that continues to this day, it even controls the issuance of the currency for eight West African nations and six Central African nations. Nothing China does even in your imagined worst case scenario comes close. And that’s just France.

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          No sources for that claim of course, as usual.

          To my knowledge the only military base China has in Africa is the one in Djibouti, and literally every country who can afford to have a base there has a base there.

          If that isn’t the definition of imperialism, I don’t know what is.

          Indeed, you don’t have a clue what it is. Try looking up “unequal exchange”, or better yet reading a book on the subject. Lenin’s Imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism and Fanon’s How Europe underdeveloped Africa are good reads on the subject.

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            Walter Rodney wrote How Europe Underdeveloped Africa. Frantz Fanon’s most famous work is The Wretched of the Earth, which is also a banger. Here’s Lenin’s Imperialism, the Current Highest Stage of Capitalism and the Prolewiki page on unequal exchange, for reference.

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          orly? https://jasonhickel.substack.com/p/is-china-doing-colonialism-in-africa

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          It must be so nice being an anti-communist. You can just make up whatever unsourced bullshit you like and expect people to believe it

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            I am pro communism. China is not communist, it is authoritarian and state-capitalist.

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              I wonder what the alternative to authoritarian is and why it involves getting overrun by bears

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              Is China State Capitalist?

              • The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee.
              • Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
              • Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values?
              • Didn’t China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn’t it liberalize its economy? Is China’s drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies?
              • Is the CPC committed to communism?
              • The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook
              • The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism?
              • Tsinghua University- Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics real socialism, or is it state Capitalism?
              • Isn’t China revisionist for having a capitalist sector of the economy, and working with capitalists? Why isn’t it fully planned like the USSR was?
              • Castro on why both China and Vietnam are socialist countries.
              • Roderic Day - China has billionaires.
              • What is socialism with Chinese characteristics (SWCC)?
              • How is SWCC not revisionist? How is it any different from Gorbachev’s market reforms?, 2
              • Domenico Losurdo - is China state capitalist?, 2
              • Did Lenin say anything about Market Socialism, or productivism?
              • Vijay Prashad - Is China capitalist?
              • Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019.
              • China cracks down on billionaires - Ben Norton interviews Ian Goodrum
              • Do capitalists control the communist party? No, pic
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                Care to explain what this is?

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              No one is claiming China achieved communism, we just believe its policies reflect an attempt at building it. It’s also silly to slander a socialist state as “authoritarian” if you have read the bare minimum of Engels. If you’re earnest on supporting communism I encourage you to look into the compatible left and seek non western perspectives more broadly.

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              And yet you accept anti-communist slander as true without question.

              Have you ever, even just once, asked yourself where those accusations come from? Who made them? Who propagated them? Why they did?

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              The PRC has a socialist market economy. The working classes control the state, and the large firms, key industries, finance sector, are all dominated by public ownership. Public ownership is the principle aspect of China’s economy. State capitalism as a term more fits the Republic of Korea, where the state is controlled by capitalists and private ownership dominates the economy, but with heavy state influence.

              Where are you getting your ideas about communism from that leads you to believe that China isn’t building towards communism? Roland Boer’s Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners is a great place to start with learning about China’s socialist system.

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          If that isn’t the definition of imperialism, I don’t know what is.

          Yeah, its clear you have no clue what that is. Trade and development are not imperialism.

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          China is not trying to expand nor dominate its culture. China has mutual development projects with African countries, it isn’t dramatically expanding its millitary presence. The US Empire has hundreds of overseas millitary bases, China has 3. This is just the typical western projection of its own sins onto China.

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            I thought they only had one, in South Africa. Where are the other 2?

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              I only knew of the anti-piracy base on the coast of Djibouti.

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              Wikipedia lists 3, but it’s Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt. It might be fewer, but rhetorically it’s easier to just say 3 so nobody can come in with Wikipedia to say I lied.

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                It’s obvious bullshit:

                have been characterized by some as a base for the People’s Liberation Army Navy

                “by some” who? .Citation needed, while there are 4 citations for Cambodia govt saying it’s under Cambodian control. I would expect something like posession and usage of naval base would be easy to prove, especially in the age of satellites and cellphones, but alas.

                The Chinese and Tajik governments deny the existence of one base, while the other was under construction as of 2024. China funds but does not directly own the bases. According to reports they are intended to support joint operations in response to the security situation in Afghanistan.[17][18][19]

                If we say that “joint operations” are the same as direct ownership then by the same logic applied to USA would skyrocket their number of bases to something like every single military base in every NATO country.

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                  I agree, it’s almost certainly bullshit.

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          Anything’s possible when you make shit up

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      The reason this cliché is utterly unconvincing to me is because it’s incomplete. Nobody seems to be able to genuinely prove how both statements are true, whenever hypocricy is pointed out. It isn’t at all grand and revealing to say that 2 things can be true, what matters is investigating the truth of the 2 things.

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      It’s possible for your entire hand to fit in your ass

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        Oh yeah? PROVE IT

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          I can’t, I have large hands and a small ass

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      thx you filled my liberal bingo card for this week :)

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        ‘Liberal’ really just does mean anyone you disagree with, huh?

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              O7

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          No, I usually use this term to describe people who e.g. use cookie cutter sentences which just empower the powers that oppress us and which stay in the frame of the general western (especially EU-centric) propaganda doctrine.

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          Wow, another word for word recitation from the book of tedious shitlib cliches.

          Are you actually capable of forming a sentence of your own? Or just repeating the ones you’ve had programmed into you?

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            Covfefe, authoritarian, Ruthkanda forever, if Kamala had won we’d be having brunch

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          You suck at this

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