Groups like Azov have been folded in officially. The Kiev regime upholds Stepan Bandera and uses likeness for propaganda. Nazis infest Ukrainian leadership:
The east supported Yanukovych, and that’s why the far-right Banderites couping him kicked off the war.
If you try to analyze politics in moral framing like “good vs evil,” then you’ll always be caught off guard. The people of Ukraine are largely not representative of the Banderite regime, in fact there are many deserters. There are citizens that uphold the Banderites, but it’s not an overwhelming number like 80-90%. Generally, Marxists tend to critically support the Russian Federation over Kiev due to protecting the people of Donetsk and Luhansk, and because Kiev is being wielded like a hammer against Russia by the west in order to weaken both into opening up their markets for foreign plunder (like in the 90s).
I think we both misunderstand each other, because your previous comment read like “If people dont like it, it has to be Russian propaganda” and I understood it the way that you meant it is not Russian propaganda.
Also I am on mobile and why should I take the time to read that shit? Whenever I see “Ukraine = nazis” its clear To me that its Propaganda shit.
Yeah i am lazy to proof people that they post bullshit online… Relevant xkcd
Not believing and having a discussion about misunderstanding are two different things ;)
Like I already said, you dont get what I am trying to say and I am okay with that, cause english is not my main language and there is no need to discuss with somebody who just use some phrases instead of trying to get on the same page to understand each other.
This one is a good example for a good discussion and showing somebody where they went wrong.
I mean I still can’t believe it, but i cannot deny facts if they are shown of properly.
Gimme one reliable source of the pic above… I never saw any “Ukraine + nazis = friends” shit outside of russian propaganda media.
Politico, the Atlantic Council, BBC, Haaretz, etc are shown.
From davel’s compilation, again:
Groups like Azov have been folded in officially. The Kiev regime upholds Stepan Bandera and uses likeness for propaganda. Nazis infest Ukrainian leadership:
The east supported Yanukovych, and that’s why the far-right Banderites couping him kicked off the war.
Wait so Ukraine is bad too? Is one worse than the other??? What am I meant to think anymore??? Politics makes me feel like a Ping Pong Ball I hate it.
If you try to analyze politics in moral framing like “good vs evil,” then you’ll always be caught off guard. The people of Ukraine are largely not representative of the Banderite regime, in fact there are many deserters. There are citizens that uphold the Banderites, but it’s not an overwhelming number like 80-90%. Generally, Marxists tend to critically support the Russian Federation over Kiev due to protecting the people of Donetsk and Luhansk, and because Kiev is being wielded like a hammer against Russia by the west in order to weaken both into opening up their markets for foreign plunder (like in the 90s).
Gonna check that out later. Thanks for the links and material :)
If you want to find more just use Google advances search for “Ukraine far right” and use a time filter to show results pre 2022
Thank you too mate. thats a good way to help somebody to find his mistakes in his errors / wrong thoughts :)
No problem!
Zoom in the the pic lol. Atlantic Council, politico, freedom house…all totally Russian outlets
Fuckin lazy
I think we both misunderstand each other, because your previous comment read like “If people dont like it, it has to be Russian propaganda” and I understood it the way that you meant it is not Russian propaganda.
Also I am on mobile and why should I take the time to read that shit? Whenever I see “Ukraine = nazis” its clear To me that its Propaganda shit.
Yeah i am lazy to proof people that they post bullshit online… Relevant xkcd
“I don’t want to believe it, therefore its propaganda bullshit”
Jackoff motion
Not believing and having a discussion about misunderstanding are two different things ;)
Like I already said, you dont get what I am trying to say and I am okay with that, cause english is not my main language and there is no need to discuss with somebody who just use some phrases instead of trying to get on the same page to understand each other.
Take this comment for example: https://lemmy.ml/comment/23035625
This one is a good example for a good discussion and showing somebody where they went wrong. I mean I still can’t believe it, but i cannot deny facts if they are shown of properly.