See how well that has worked over the past 40 years?
…extremely well? Can you provide an example of the contrary?
don’t expect a personal boycott or even advocating heavily for others to the same to have any kind of impact whatsoever.
…of course a single person boycotting a product does nothing. People educating themselves about the products they buy and making conscious decisions to buy consumer-friendly products when buying shit (especially expensive shit) does.
They just want to go on amazon or to home depot or whatever and buy shit that looks like it will do what they need for a price point they can afford.
Plenty of people know and just don’t care. I know because I have these types of conversations all the time.
That’s where regulatory oversight comes in
See how well that has worked over the past 2000 years?
As to other reply: what times has vote with your wallet truly worked? Especially in terms of anti consumer decisions and not just culture war bullshit where the sales trends are almost always temporary and linked to collective groups that apply pressure onto retailers.
People educating themselves doesn’t happen, is the point. People don’t want to do this about every fucking thing. You’re on lemmy. You’re a fucking nerd. I’m not disparaging you, I’m here too. I like researching my product purchases and I get angry about this shit. But my partner? My parents? My neighbors? My siblings? Most of the people I work with? They don’t give a fuck. They don’t want to be bothered. They want to just buy a tv and watch it. We are the minority.
This pipe dream that an overwhelming majority of consumers will suddenly become extremely conscious and educated is, at best, misguided. So let’s say you set up the framework for it: it’s already mostly there, obviously, since you and I can find this info. But then you need to address why most people don’t care. Education? Resources? Other systemic issues? Good luck doing that on a timeline that isn’t generational. In the meantime big tech tightens their stranglehold significantly on the systems that control the majority of the fucking world.
I have seen how regulatory oversight can work. It’s a fight and a battle to keep it working, of course, with constant attacks. That’s why regulatory states that have seen some success, like the EU, are failing, and others that are seeing increasing success, like China, are demonized continually even though they are quickly outranking the USA in almost every major quality of life metric
As to other reply: what times has vote with your wallet truly worked?
Already answered this several times, including the comment you just replied to.
People educating themselves doesn’t happen, is the point.
Yes, that is indeed the point.
This pipe dream that an overwhelming majority of consumers will suddenly become extremely conscious and educated is, at best, misguided.
That doesn’t make anything I said untrue.
others that are seeing increasing success, like China, are demonized continually even though they are quickly outranking the USA in almost every major quality of life metric
You think China, of all places, is making consumer-focused and ethical products?
China sees increasing success because they have no minimum wage and no concept of IP. So the world outsourced vast swathes of production infrastructure there only to have all their IP stolen and reproduced without any of the R&D costs. Then the government sudsidizes it to hell even further so that they can apply the Amazon model of enshittification to the global economy.
How does a subscription compare to TV purchases? How does that one instance of politically driven consumer action equate to “every time ever”? Have you heard of Nestlé? People have boycott them forever and they still exist. Why?
Got it, so in your case, if it applies to your argument, it’s possible and works “every time ever”, and if it goes against your argument, it doesn’t exist and no one is boycotting.
You are not arguing in good faith, and only want to be right in this instance.
I’m sure you’ve never bought a display, GPU, or computer with HDMI, and I’m sure you’ve advocated for your friends and family to stop buying anything with HDMI certification. Right?
so in your case, if it applies to your argument, it’s possible and works “every time ever”, and if it goes against your argument, it doesn’t exist and no one is boycotting.
Yes, because it’s not logically possible. Once again, if people stop buying them, they can’t sell them. And they’ll be forced to make something else that people will want to buy.
I didn’t say “no one”, but it doesn’t have to be everyone either. There has to be more than a few people such that if affects their bottom line.
You are not arguing in good faith, and only want to be right in this instance.
I could say the same about you.
I’m sure you’ve never bought a display
I’ve bought lots of things with HDMI that also have Display Ports.
…extremely well? Can you provide an example of the contrary?
…of course a single person boycotting a product does nothing. People educating themselves about the products they buy and making conscious decisions to buy consumer-friendly products when buying shit (especially expensive shit) does.
Plenty of people know and just don’t care. I know because I have these types of conversations all the time.
See how well that has worked over the past 2000 years?
As to other reply: what times has vote with your wallet truly worked? Especially in terms of anti consumer decisions and not just culture war bullshit where the sales trends are almost always temporary and linked to collective groups that apply pressure onto retailers.
People educating themselves doesn’t happen, is the point. People don’t want to do this about every fucking thing. You’re on lemmy. You’re a fucking nerd. I’m not disparaging you, I’m here too. I like researching my product purchases and I get angry about this shit. But my partner? My parents? My neighbors? My siblings? Most of the people I work with? They don’t give a fuck. They don’t want to be bothered. They want to just buy a tv and watch it. We are the minority.
This pipe dream that an overwhelming majority of consumers will suddenly become extremely conscious and educated is, at best, misguided. So let’s say you set up the framework for it: it’s already mostly there, obviously, since you and I can find this info. But then you need to address why most people don’t care. Education? Resources? Other systemic issues? Good luck doing that on a timeline that isn’t generational. In the meantime big tech tightens their stranglehold significantly on the systems that control the majority of the fucking world.
I have seen how regulatory oversight can work. It’s a fight and a battle to keep it working, of course, with constant attacks. That’s why regulatory states that have seen some success, like the EU, are failing, and others that are seeing increasing success, like China, are demonized continually even though they are quickly outranking the USA in almost every major quality of life metric
Already answered this several times, including the comment you just replied to.
Yes, that is indeed the point.
That doesn’t make anything I said untrue.
You think China, of all places, is making consumer-focused and ethical products?
China sees increasing success because they have no minimum wage and no concept of IP. So the world outsourced vast swathes of production infrastructure there only to have all their IP stolen and reproduced without any of the R&D costs. Then the government sudsidizes it to hell even further so that they can apply the Amazon model of enshittification to the global economy.
Can you provide evidence of it working extremely well?
This is my response, how often do companies acquiesce to consumer pressure in any meaningful way? This is like asking to prove a negative
Every time ever? How about Disney getting mass subscription cancellations after canning Kimmy Kimmel?
They can’t sell shit that people don’t buy.
How does a subscription compare to TV purchases? How does that one instance of politically driven consumer action equate to “every time ever”? Have you heard of Nestlé? People have boycott them forever and they still exist. Why?
How does it not? It’s a withheld purchase (AKA “voting with your wallet”)
It doesn’t and wasn’t supposed to. The last part did.
They obviously don’t or they wouldn’t exist.
Got it, so in your case, if it applies to your argument, it’s possible and works “every time ever”, and if it goes against your argument, it doesn’t exist and no one is boycotting.
You are not arguing in good faith, and only want to be right in this instance.
I’m sure you’ve never bought a display, GPU, or computer with HDMI, and I’m sure you’ve advocated for your friends and family to stop buying anything with HDMI certification. Right?
Yes, because it’s not logically possible. Once again, if people stop buying them, they can’t sell them. And they’ll be forced to make something else that people will want to buy.
I didn’t say “no one”, but it doesn’t have to be everyone either. There has to be more than a few people such that if affects their bottom line.
I could say the same about you.
I’ve bought lots of things with HDMI that also have Display Ports.