• pipi1234@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    One reason I can think is we haven’t yet seen a working socialist society, which often fail for external reasons.

    For example, the socialist government in Cuba was severely undermined by the USA imposed blockade.

    A more recent example is Venezuela, while you can think what you want about its current government, I don’t think USA should interfere with any sovereign nation.

    There’s almost like a pattern, like someone, somewhere doesn’t like the idea of socialism to succeed.

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      6 hours ago

      China needs Taiwan to fail because the Chinese Communist Party maintains that democracy is incompatible with the Chinese culture. Having a very successful Chinese democracy shows that Chinese culture is compatible with democracy.

      In a similar way, capitalists do everything they can to scuttle socialist countries, because a working socialist country would show that it was viable. Hence endless embargoes, wars, and a steady stream of propaganda. This was true for the entire life of the Soviet Union, and continues to this day for socialist countries.

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      7 hours ago

      There are plenty of surviving socialist states, and Cuba, Venezuela, and Vietnam for that matter still exist despite extensive US meddling so it’s weird to call them non-surviving.

      Whether you want to call China socialist is a whole different kettle of worms, but I think it demonstrates rather handily that socialism’s second greatest burden beyond the necessity of fighting off capitalists is the authoritarianism of Marxists.

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          4 hours ago

          Marxism posits that socialism is best achieved through a command/centralized economy. There’s plenty of room for interpretation and of course being a Marxist doesn’t mean you have to agree with 150 year old socioeconomic theories on every point but generally that’s the form Marxist governments have assumed, probably because it is in the interest of the people running a government to take all the power they can.

          If the government controls production from the ground up there’s just no other model to call it but authoritarian, everything within that society can only happen by their consent or by breaking the law.

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        7 hours ago

        I agree, that’s why I called them non-working socialist states.

        My point is we haven’t yet seen how well (or bad) could a socialist state work if left alone.