Please keep your racist comments to yourself, this is about these 2 people as individuals.
They’re both just arguing semantics, but 1 refuses to elaborate at all and cries about bullying and antisemitism for the slightest pushback.
The other has a point, but on being called antisemitic he has to point out him being a proud Zionist.
If they didn’t deserve each other, this would be actually infuriating.
I have never really discussed Jesus’ religion irl, mostly because I don’t care, but I see your UN and I have been curious, why would Mary/Joseph/jesus not also be considered Christian Jews? Were they not the first to accept Jesus as a new prophet? I understand he probably was raised Jewish, but seeing as his core religious belief was not accepted into general Jewish faith, is he not at least the founder of Christianity? I figure at the time it made sense to not have a direct divide because Jews didn’t have the time yet to decide if Jesus was the real thing or not, but if Jesus was able to be on the TV/radio at the time and the majority of Jews rejected him as the messiah immediately, would they still use that interim term? I understand that the term Jewish encompasses a large cultural element, but as far as religious identity, it feels strange to group people who believe Jesus was the son of god with people who think that’s a lie and heretical.
Oh I mean, certainly they would be, right? It’s just Abrahamic monotheism plus the wise words of big J (who didn’t even like to be called “good” and prayed often asking God for help!). I guess you could say Jesus went against some of the mores of the time and religious adjacent things, kinda like someone going against the 5 daily prayers in Sunni Islam, but he never went against the basic concept of “God exists, he’s good and he will judge us for our deeds” so idk if I can take him away from Judaism/Abrahamic monotheism, he was just a reformer of the things surrounding it like religious misogyny and quickness for judgment, for instance. Regardless, he was a “Jew” of the time, idk if some uneducated folk believe he just woke up one day in a vacuum and said “hey here’s me and here’s the whole Bible and a brand new religion, enjoy!” 😅
Thank you for clarifying. I stay away from religious stuff for the most part now, but it’s interesting to see where the lines are drawn between sects. Totally understand why having a new name etc makes sense mostly after there’s an established religious text and doctrine, which at the time of Jesus there would not have been. Appreciate the response.