There’s nothing inherently wrong with it as a food, like most other foods, but it’s not a health panacea as it was portrayed in milk advertising previously. Its main drawback for public health is that it is fairly calorically dense, so while it may be better for you than soda, for those looking to lose weight, milk should not be your primary beverage.
Also: the dairy industry is questionable at best, from an animal treatment standpoint, as well as environmental.
Uhh, the people saying saturated fats clog arteries are right. Which is why the American Heart Association recommends aiming to keep it under 6% of total calories, as well as seeking to replace saturated fats with sources of unsaturated fats.
You are absolutely on a path to heart attack if you don’t reign in those kinds of foods.
Your sensory pleasure really shouldn’t be rated anywhere close to a beings wish to avoid suffering. Not going to respond to anything more you post because your first comment was basic troll bait and this conversation with openers like yours will go nowhere and make me angry.
It’s entirely possible to take only excess milk from a cow, especially as she will continue to lactate for as long as you continue to milk her. But I also feel it’s important for you to know that in the industrial dairy industry what they do is get her pregnant, take the calf away immediately after birth, and then get her pregnant again soon after.
I’m not sure what you mean. She would be feeding the calf if they didn’t take it away from her. I’m not sure what percentage of them are allowed to grow up, given the popularity of veal.
They will continue to produce milk, but in factory farming they’re impregnated roughly once a year to keep the amount of milk high and to give it more marketable qualities.
My family took care of a small herd of dairy goats when I was growing up. They could definitely make their displeasure known if you tried to make them do something they didn’t want to (especially when they were very nearly your own weight). Milking time? Most days they were perfectly happy to jump up on the stand for us to relieve their udders for them, sometimes even before we’d gotten everything set up.
I am careful where I get my milk from because the big dairy institutions are rather problematic. And I agree that the broad disempowerment and incarceration inherent in farming is an issue on its own. But saying that milk is always, unequivocally, unwanted theft (and respectively that farms provide an unqualified worse life) is just the other side of the same human-exceptionalism coin – you’re removing their agency to say “yes”.
Ah, good to know you have a argument ready to allow you to move the goalposts, and that you won’t accept any solutions for achieving utopia that don’t come out of the gate already perfect.
To be equally blunt, my response wasn’t “all eight billion people should drink small-farm milk”, it was “you’re being anthropocentric in a very similar vein to saying all other animals are automata.” If you really do think humans are the only species which can have and express desires and dislikes, then enjoy your biological essentialism.
So you’re one of those people who think it’s impossible to have sex when you don’t share a language, then? Consent is a very good model to live by. Blind devotion to the form of consent while ignoring the actual purpose behind it (i.e. to simply make sure nobody regrets what’s happening, in the moment or later) twists it into something it was never meant to be.
And I wasn’t talking about sex. I was talking about two species learning to read each other’s body language, and to communicate despite the barrier. A goat freely jumping onto the platform where she knows she’ll be milked, without any fear of punishment if she doesn’t, is her agreeing to be milked. It might not meet some mythologized standard of “consent” where all parties involved practically have to sign a contract saying they know every minute detail of what might happen, and the exact likelihood of all potential future consequences years down the line, but that’s not what consent was designed to solve.
The tea model is consent. The tea model can be fulfilled without relying on any specific wording, or even words at all. Anything more complex than the tea model is either meant for risky kink (note: milking a goat is not risky kink) or is over-ritualizing the process for purity points.
Cow’s milk is good food.
“But some people are lactose intolerant!”
Too bad for them.
“Saturated fat clogs arteries! You’re gonna have a heart attack!”
It’s far more complicated than that, and not nearly as big a concern as most people think.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with it as a food, like most other foods, but it’s not a health panacea as it was portrayed in milk advertising previously. Its main drawback for public health is that it is fairly calorically dense, so while it may be better for you than soda, for those looking to lose weight, milk should not be your primary beverage.
Also: the dairy industry is questionable at best, from an animal treatment standpoint, as well as environmental.
It’s also got an unexpected amount of sugar in it, so people don’t realize what it can do to a kid’s teeth.
Very true, the same fact also makes it a bad choice for those with diabetes as well.
Uhh, the people saying saturated fats clog arteries are right. Which is why the American Heart Association recommends aiming to keep it under 6% of total calories, as well as seeking to replace saturated fats with sources of unsaturated fats.
You are absolutely on a path to heart attack if you don’t reign in those kinds of foods.
Preach!
Agreed, but people without toes should also be tolerated.
toelerated*
No food stolen from the oppression of other beings can be good food. Cow’s milk is for baby cows only.
I mean it’s pretty tasty though
Your sensory pleasure really shouldn’t be rated anywhere close to a beings wish to avoid suffering. Not going to respond to anything more you post because your first comment was basic troll bait and this conversation with openers like yours will go nowhere and make me angry.
It’s so fun when people just run in, foist their personal choices on others then call them the troll.
Yeah they were the ones that instigated.
All because someone said they like to drink milk, but I’m the troll?
You can not excuse harm to others as a personal choice. When there is a victim “personal choice” is irrelevant.
That milk isn’t for you. It’s stolen.
ok
The calf grew up already.
It’s entirely possible to take only excess milk from a cow, especially as she will continue to lactate for as long as you continue to milk her. But I also feel it’s important for you to know that in the industrial dairy industry what they do is get her pregnant, take the calf away immediately after birth, and then get her pregnant again soon after.
You realize that these cows are not feeding calves, right? **It’s all excess. **
If you keep extracting the milk, they keep producing it, even years after their offspring has grown up.
I’m not sure what you mean. She would be feeding the calf if they didn’t take it away from her. I’m not sure what percentage of them are allowed to grow up, given the popularity of veal.
They will continue to produce milk, but in factory farming they’re impregnated roughly once a year to keep the amount of milk high and to give it more marketable qualities.
That’s not a justification for stealing the milk. It’s not yours.
My family took care of a small herd of dairy goats when I was growing up. They could definitely make their displeasure known if you tried to make them do something they didn’t want to (especially when they were very nearly your own weight). Milking time? Most days they were perfectly happy to jump up on the stand for us to relieve their udders for them, sometimes even before we’d gotten everything set up.
I am careful where I get my milk from because the big dairy institutions are rather problematic. And I agree that the broad disempowerment and incarceration inherent in farming is an issue on its own. But saying that milk is always, unequivocally, unwanted theft (and respectively that farms provide an unqualified worse life) is just the other side of the same human-exceptionalism coin – you’re removing their agency to say “yes”.
re: @[email protected]
cc: @[email protected]
There’s no sustainable way to do this for 8 billion people, so frankly I don’t give a shit.
Ah, good to know you have a argument ready to allow you to move the goalposts, and that you won’t accept any solutions for achieving utopia that don’t come out of the gate already perfect.
To be equally blunt, my response wasn’t “all eight billion people should drink small-farm milk”, it was “you’re being anthropocentric in a very similar vein to saying all other animals are automata.” If you really do think humans are the only species which can have and express desires and dislikes, then enjoy your biological essentialism.
re: @[email protected]
I believe in verbal consent and think your argument is uncomfortably similar to rape apologia - you can just tell she wants it!
So you’re one of those people who think it’s impossible to have sex when you don’t share a language, then? Consent is a very good model to live by. Blind devotion to the form of consent while ignoring the actual purpose behind it (i.e. to simply make sure nobody regrets what’s happening, in the moment or later) twists it into something it was never meant to be.
And I wasn’t talking about sex. I was talking about two species learning to read each other’s body language, and to communicate despite the barrier. A goat freely jumping onto the platform where she knows she’ll be milked, without any fear of punishment if she doesn’t, is her agreeing to be milked. It might not meet some mythologized standard of “consent” where all parties involved practically have to sign a contract saying they know every minute detail of what might happen, and the exact likelihood of all potential future consequences years down the line, but that’s not what consent was designed to solve.
The tea model is consent. The tea model can be fulfilled without relying on any specific wording, or even words at all. Anything more complex than the tea model is either meant for risky kink (note: milking a goat is not risky kink) or is over-ritualizing the process for purity points.
re: @[email protected]
Weren’t these species selectively bred to have excess milk for us?
Cows don’t have a concept of property.
Cows have to be tricked into letting their milk down. They won’t let you steal it otherwise.
Do you have a source for that or are you just guessing because it’s a cow?
I don’t need to guess. Because it’s a cow.