The mod banning these users is the same mod who made the posts they downvoted. This is mod abuse, turning the downvote button into an auto-self-ban button.

The message is “If you disagree with me, you will be banned”

Monitoring and banning users for using lemmy as intended to signal boost your opinion should be grounds to have all mod privileges removed. This behaviour undermines the integrity of the server and the wider fediverse.

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    What about if someone entered the community to mass downvote everything? Or did so every day?

    That’s fine, if the post is legitimately popular, the upvotes will outweigh the downvotes. That’s how all of this works, and how it has always worked.

    If I made a metal music community, and an account came in every day to downvote every post because they don’t like metal - would I be justified in banning them for that?

    No, that would be an abuse of your mod powers. Conversely, how many downvotes do you think a user should be allowed before you can ban them for disagreeing with you?

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      That’s fine, if the post is legitimately popular, the upvotes will outweigh the downvotes. That’s how all of this works, and how it has always worked.

      No, this doesn’t apply to small and growing communities. Or niche communities of specific interests. When I started up my community, many posts wouldn’t get many votes - and an early downvote or two could easily sink a new post from trending at all, leaving it to languish to nowhere.

      No, that would be an abuse of your mod powers.

      Based on what?

      Conversely, how many downvotes do you think a user should be allowed before you can ban them for disagreeing with you?

      It’s not about numbers specifically. People downvote in my community now - and I see the same names whenever I check from time to time, but they also upvote and contribute - so I am not that bothered. I have only banned a handful of users for this behaviour since I started. Each one of them did nothing but downvote everything, and never contributed at all to the community.

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        Based on what?

        You’re actively arguing for vote manipulation on the part of moderators.

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          I think its justified for community moderators to ban an account that never interacts on their community, and downvotes everything. I think it’s not justified for community moderators to ban an account just for a single downvote on any thread.

          I think if there’s a serious problem, people can either make their own version of the community on another instance (a perk of the fediverse) and lead people away from the problem community to there, or pressure the instance owner in which the community is based - to remove them (another perk of accountability that doesn’t exist in the same way on Reddit).

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        Each one of them did nothing but downvote everything, and never contributed at all to the community.

        Downvotes are a contribution, they are just the kind of contribution you don’t like. based on this, I don’t think you area good fit for modding; you should probably look to pass your role on to someone who can moderate responsibly.

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          Downvotes are a contribution, they are just the kind of contribution you don’t like

          and we allow rules in comms that ban certain types of contributions, like propaganda outlets, low value sources, *phobia

          in general, not allowing contributions that moderators believe is bad for the health of the comm is an acceptable policy

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          Downvotes are a contribution, they are just the kind of contribution you don’t like.

          I fail to see the valuable contribution of an account that has literally never posted on the community they are downvoting in, never even posted on the fediverse, quietly downvoting every single post in a community. It is nothing but vandalism that hurts the growth of new communities.

          based on this, I don’t think you area good fit for modding; you should probably look to pass your role on to someone who can moderate responsibly.

          By your logic almost every single community moderator on the fediverse is not a “good fit for modding” because they too, will ban accounts for spam-downvoting on their communities.

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            Replying here as it’s higher the thread , but the other person you were replying to just seems to be sealioning.

            Also, a 3 months old account with 3 posts, 2 about moderation issues, seems like an alt looking to stir up drama.

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            I think you’ve made my point for me. You should really find someone more emotionally stable to moderate your communities.

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              How on earth have I showed emotional instability?

              And my communities are doing fine, thanks.

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                Absurd hypotheticals, loaded language, repeated block quoting, relying on anecdotes to add emotional weight to your opinion.

                I just don’t think you are impartial or thick skinned enough to be in charge of moderating conversation.

                edit, cleaning up a grammar error :D

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                  What hypothetical? Loaded language? What?

                  Block quoting? I just reply to longer post in chunks. How is that emotional instability?

                  relying on anecdotes to add emotional weight to your opinion.

                  You mean my own experiences as a moderator growing a community? What else should I rely on here?

                  I just don’t think you are impartial or thick skinned enough be in charge of moderating conversation.

                  How have I showed any sensitivity at all?