The mod banning these users is the same mod who made the posts they downvoted. This is mod abuse, turning the downvote button into an auto-self-ban button.
The message is “If you disagree with me, you will be banned”
Monitoring and banning users for using lemmy as intended to signal boost your opinion should be grounds to have all mod privileges removed. This behaviour undermines the integrity of the server and the wider fediverse.
Hi I’m the wackjob, communities are places around the topic, and they’re focused on people who want to talk about that topic. If you go to the chess club and you want to talk about motorsports, it’s not going to be great for people. You be asked to leave eventually. Especially if you keep revving your bike in the chess club.
Hey. Just wanted to say that you banned me from a number of communities I only voted on with no notification. I only found out because I randomly checked the mod log one day. Trying to police participation by bans via voting behavior puts a chilling effect on the greater Lemmy community and creates an echo chamber with no critical examination of what is being posted. Also, it’s a pretty cowardly way to mod.
Were any of those communities you were interested in having a positive interaction with?
I honestly don’t remember. But I shouldn’t have my voice censored simply for disagreeing with something that was posted. The entire point of the voting system is so that quality content reaches the widest audience.
Also, how do you define a “positive interaction?” If I disagree with what’s posted but provide polite criticism, is that a positive or negative interaction? IMO, if I’m not flinging shit at the walls and insulting users, or otherwise violating the rules of said community, that feels like a positive interaction to me.
Yeah, i would broadly agree, polite criticism is the bulwark of a good discussion forum and positive.
What if i go to a motorsport club, but someone is revving is bike in the middle of a public speech, covering what they are saying? I should be able to downvote the revvig guy because I don’t like his ‘posts’.
With your logic, the moron should keep disturbing the speech and i would get booted off the club because I disliked his behavior.
Nobody’s forcing you to go to communities you don’t like. You can block them. In fact moderators of those communities are working hard to provide content. If you only want to be negative with that content it sounds like it’s a perfect idea to block it.
If you very much want to rage against content, you’re welcome to repost it someplace else and then have your say in a different community. But you don’t have the right to use the original community. If you behave well you’re welcome to most communities to participate. If you don’t behave well you’re not. It’s very simple
You don’t understand. In my example, i WANT to be in that community, but a single actor is being a jerk, so i let him know he’s a jerk.
Downvoting something you disagree with is not behaving badly. Banning people without knowing their motivation for a downvote is ridiculous.
On a single downvote? Sure. If someone comes into a community and downvotes the entire page, and they’ve never interacted on the community - I think thats different.
Agree.
What you’re demanding is that everyone interact with your community “appropriately” and on your terms, but that your interaction with the larger community yours is a part of is not allowed to be questioned or criticized in the way all other communities are. That’s some one-sided bs.
Yes one side of the door is for the community members, the other side of the door is for everyone else.
I’ve explained my philosophy comprehensively here: https://hackertalks.com/post/13884733
If you can find something inconsistent in that i’m happy to hear about it.
I read it. It’s not good and neither are your analogies. There is no “door” if your community is on the front page of lemmy at large. You are taking advantage of the open nature of the service to openly publish your content while pretending that it’s “only for you” and demanding that anyone that sees it outside of your community abide by your personal rules. If that’s what you want, then a platform like lemmy is the wrong one for your community.
I respectfully disagree, allowing a tyranny of negativity to rein simply because people have a niche belief - like AI, or diets, or religion, or politics isn’t good for lemmy. It stifles the growth of lemmy, because everyone has some niche interest that should be part of the fediverse.
If every single part of the fediverse is for open referendum, that’s going to chill lots of participation; it’s much easier to hate many things, then to be so interested in something that you stick your neck out and brave the negativity.
If you really want to rage against some content, cross post it and have at it.
It is not reasonable to demand that every user that disagrees with a post publish their own counter-post. It’s excessive, inefficient, and is antithetical to how the fediverse functions. Post voting is the bare minimum of participation. If that’s still too “chilling”, this is simply the wrong forum for what you’re looking for, and trying to force the whole platform to bend to what you want it to be is just selfish.
I think our schism is philosophically intractable. I don’t see the fediverse as one single homogeneous space. I see it as many small pools of heterogeneous activities and people. That can cross pollinate, cross communicate, and cross collaborate.
You’re also asking the entire platform to bend to your will, to allow you to express your negativity wherever you like. I don’t think that’s sustainable for Lemmy either.
I agree that’s how the fediverse should operate, and you’re explicitly arguing to disallow this at your lone discretion. Your entire ethos that you’re touting is about excluding those not part of your personal group. That’s the exact opposite of open and collaborative.
No, I’m saying mods like you shouldn’t be allowed to abuse the openness of the fediverse while refusing to be subject to the same system everyone else is.
The public votes on the content of the forum. If that’s unacceptable to you, then that’s on you, not the forum.
Excluding those who don’t positively engage with the community. Only downvoting isn’t positive engagement. If every post to cars is downvoted by people of fuckcars, and every post to fuckcars is downvoted by people of cars… what does lemmy gain? They know they don’t like each other, no need for throwing hostility at each other.
A forum composed of people sharing a interest, I agree. But to use the cars illustrative example again, there is no value in having every cars post downvoted by the fuck cars people… it’s just noise, the members of the cars community are not served by it.
Update - I should add the moderators of small communities work hard to provide content, just letting negativity flow at them discourages lemmy from growing as every community starts small.