Now, the words and figures “with the exception of articles 2-c, 4-c, 5-c, 12-c, 13-c, 14-c, 17-c, 21-c and 22-c” have been removed from the Regulation, i.e. everyone will be recognised as fit under the “controversial” articles:
- 2-c – clinically treated tuberculosis;
- 4-c – viral hepatitis with minor functional impairment;
- 5-c – asymptomatic HIV carrier;
- 12-c - slowly progressive and non-progressive with minor functional impairment and rare exacerbations of anaemia, blood clotting disorders, purpura, haemorrhagic conditions, other diseases of the blood and haematopoietic organs, and some disorders involving the immune mechanism;
- 13-c - diseases of the endocrine system with minor functional disorders;
- 14-c - mild, short-term, painful manifestations of mental disorders;
- 17-c - neurotic, stress-related and somatoform disorders with moderate or short-term manifestations, with an asthenic state;
- 21-c – slowly progressive diseases of the central nervous system with minor functional disorders;
- 22-c – episodic and paroxysmal disorders, except for epilepsy, with minor impairment of organ and system functions.
It doesn’t feel like a great idea to conscript those with mental health issues heavily impacted by stress.
Could always be used in administrative roles
True. I always read conscription and think “sent to the frontlines”, but there’s a lot of logistics and support that goes into an army.
My dad got drafted during Vietnam, and landed himself a position doing some supply/logistics stuff and basically spent his whole time chilling in Kentucky doing warehouse and office stuff. Admittedly he also did his damnedest on every aptitude test, evaluation, etc. they gave him to make himself out to be a coward and play up any non-combat skills he had specifically trying to end up doing something like that.
There’s of course a lot of differences between 'Nam and Ukraine, but at the end of the day every army throughout history has relied on a whole bunch of people who weren’t on the front lines to make things work. You need a whole lot of mechanics, warehouse workers, pencil pushers, IT staff, cooks, medical staff, truck drivers, etc. and if you’re able to use people who wouldn’t be able to hack it physically/mentally/emotionally on the front lines to fill those roles, it’s kind of a no-brainer so that soldiers who are able to do it aren’t tied up behind the scenes when they’re needed.
Of course it absolutely sucks for anyone who gets conscripted.
Somewhat similar to what happened to my grandpa. Technically wasn’t drafted, he had buddy in the draft office gave him a heads up that’d it’d be a very good idea for him to enlist soon. He ended up as a supply officer in Okinawa and got to take my grandma with him. Good thing too (and largely why it happened), the man’s eyesight is/was awful. He would’ve almost certainly been a dead man had he ever lost his glasses in combat
It’s a terrible idea and it tells me that all the propaganda were getting about Ukraine clearly winning and barely losing anyone is bullshit. They must be real desperate if they’re conscription people with mental disorders.
Look at the list and stop talking out your ass. Wars are won due to logistics, lots of paperwork and so on. Granted, the situation could be better, but let’s not pretend Ukraine has its back against a wall.
They are still kicking Russia like nothing before.
Also, they are not just accepting any mental disorder, there are many disorders that may prevent someone to be in the front, but they don’t prevent one to carry supplies from A-B in the back country. Wars are not just won through fights on the front.
If they could read they’d be super shocked by who the Russians are conscripting.
Wow… How do you think this works? Where are wars “won”? How is this not an act of desperation?
A wall is only as strong as its weakest section. This is indeed not great news.
My thoughts exactly. You put me on the front line and my general commander is getting a bullet. Not saying I’ll remember doing it but nobody dies except those that force me to kill.
Saying you don’t “remember” doing it is probably not going to help much in your court-martial when you’ve posted a pre-meditated plan to do it on an open social media platform beforehand.
Who tf cares lmfao.
You’ve been warned global military
/r/IAmVeryBadass
I would rather die than kill. If you tell me to kill I will kill you first to limit the amount of total death.
This is the ultimate utilitarian take on the ethics of the situation you dunce.
You say you’d rather die than kill, and then in the very next line you threaten to kill me for telling you something.
You need to read up on what being a “conscientious objector” is actually about, or whatever it is you’re going for here, because your philosophy is incoherent.
Believe it or not, this would completely cripple military power across the board. Overall, resulting in less death than the death of the white collar pencil pushers that command troops.
Sure you can be the bootlicker that shoots people for funsies, don’t come crying to me when you get drafted
Edit: where tf did I threaten you specifically?..
All these comments “wow they’ll take anyone, they must be desperate.”
meanwhile Russia has been desperate for manpower this entire time and barely has enough morale to have people fight. Lmfao
[citation needed]
look its the moron who posts actual chinese propaganda.
fuck off shit for brains
you used so many words to say that you are dumb fuck
this guy literally posts chinese propaganda lol
yes, you’ve told us that you’re a dumb fuck already lol
literally tho look
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1364423
lol that is his post. In the entirety of this conflict Russia hasn’t gained anything but ire from it’s own populace (see moral / attempted coup)
since then Ukraine has regained 54% of it’s territory.
literally propaganda lmfao
How do you know?
For those looking at this comment, this guy seems another one that only crawls out to talk about Ukraine and India.
Interesting comment pattern, to be sure.
Ah yes, everyone is a shillbot that does not share your opinion. You can not compensate for your lack of arguments by accusing others of ingenuity. I am a long time lurker that is crawling out becuase I am fed up with the pure feces that is been thrown around since the reddit flush. I was already on this platform while you were circlejerking on 9gag - dip$hit
I got chased away from actual social media to the fediverse before shitloads of people came here in protest
Not the sick burn you think it is
I appreciate you spending time with the mentally infirm. God bless ya
What the fuck are you talking about. I was never on any social media (other than lemmy.ml). nOt THe sIcK bUrn yOU tHInk iT Is
lol how do you?
The burden of proof is on the accuser - I am not the one making unverifyable claims. Since the war, Ukraine population is reduced by 16%. Who do you think they are recruiting? Interestingly, 1.7 mio. immigrated…
they are being invaded case closed
Surely they have invaded your brain. This war was in the making for decades. You really think it started with the recent invasion? What role do you think the US and Europe play in this war? Who do you think is accumulating credits/dept for the next generations? Who will swoop in with their cooporations when the dust has settled? Give me a break… the case is wide open.
Of course it was decades in the making! Hillary took money from Ukraine during her campaign and Trump took money from Russia. It is known how this relationship goes.
Regardless Russia is losing and Ukraine is fighting for good reason and winning. You agree?
Thank you for your constructive comment. Seems like you know what you are talking about.
Unverifiable
lmao okay
You do understand how those estimates are made? How are they verified? Meanwile Russia has 144 mio population… Do you think they are “running out of manpower”?
Yes Russia isn’t being invaded 144 mil population doesn’t matter as much. What matters is your fighting force.
Now if you are being invaded your population matters way more since every man, woman and child is forced to defend thus providing your fighting force.
You people are so fuckin stupid
“You people”
Sure whatever helps you sleep!
LoL
Haha - your so funny. You must be really cool and strong. Your wisdom must be at the peak of humanity. Enlighten us and plant your seed for future generations to thrive on the fruits of your genius.
Personal attacks is a solid way to get blocked.
Yeah, laughing at someone is OK (‘lol’). I am just giving you the clownery you are craving for.
Dude, if you’re being forced to post pro-russian comments by Putin post another pro-russian comment. We will get you out of there.
What did I say that is pro-russia?
Dunno couldn’t hear you with them boots in your mouth and your nose up an ass
“your mouth and your nose up an ass” - deft, 2023
Sounds nice.
Ukraine:
- closed border for all males;
- non-stop involuntary draft of unwilling citizens;
- resorts to conscripting HIV positives and people with mental health issues.
Russia:
- first wave of forced mobilization ended half year ago, second wave still not started;
- still has open border for most citizens (which actually helped a lot of them to avoid first wave of mobilization).
In alternative reality created by western massmedia this definately means that Russia is short of manpower. In world of logical thinking this actually means something else.
one is being INVADED
You fucking idiot lol
The question wasn’t who’s being INVADED, the question was who’s DESPERATE FOR MANPOWER.
wtf you’ve lost the point of conversation and of your own original message, that’s the real sign of ridiculous idiocy
HOLY FUCK y’all so stupid.
let me explain it for you, c’mon hold my hand.
If your country is being invaded every single person is part of the war effort. Every one. Even if you just cut grass or worked at costco, because you are being invaded and under threat of war. You’re part of a war effort. Remanaging your resources like manpower to more war adjacent positions makes complete sense. All hands on deck, we are invaded.
If you are invading and must conscript fighters, your invasion is a meat grinder not going well.
Russia was supposed to end this war long ago, in their minds. At this point it is a sunk cost and they HAVE to win or they severely lose on a play they made.
So no. Not the same. Russia is doing terrible.
Thanks for interesting excursion into your delusions. Actually you’ve just written WHY Ukraine is more desperate for manpower than Russia (“every single person is part of war effort and so on”). So you yourself proved your initial position to be wrong, but you were too lame to grasp that. And about “we are invaded”: the only war that you personally wage is war in lemmy comments against facts, logics and critical thinking. Don’t try to cover your own nullity with other’s casualities.
personal attack, personal attack… huh nothing? no content ok.
Ukraine is fighting for their lives, Russia is forcing a fight for personal gain of the rich. Different games they’re playing you stupid cuck lol
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/05/world/europe/cuba-russia-war-human-trafficking.html
trafficking people = more desperate
sorry was dunking on another one of you and saw your reply to me, figured I’d just smack that in here thanks
So Russia tried to hire some Cuban mercenaries… literally same as Ukraine has done since the begginning of conflict, scraping mercs from entire world. So there’s no point to argue, really trafficing more mercs = more desperate. From the third attempt you finally managed to bring something like valid argument, sadly it clearly works against you and once again shows that you’re bot without any logical thinking.
“trafficing more mercs = more desperate”. … yes, they are desperate, they are being invaded by a much bigger country with a huge military
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/11/world/europe/russia-military-draft-ukraine.html
Cuba doesn’t allow mercenary groups, neither does Kazakhstan who Russia has also trafficked people from.
Sounds like your boy Russia is struggling babe
Russia did hire Wagner, who recruited from prisons, right?
That was like 20k people, and Russian army is estimated to be around 400k now.
Weird with 400k people they still can’t get shit done and are being bombed on their own turf after failing an invasion with a consistent supply issue. Real weird.
Yeah, really weird how Russia is conserving its manpower by letting Ukraine deplete the army the west helped put together and arm for three months. I wonder what will happen once Ukraine depletes its military resources in the coming months. Gotta love all the arm chair generals opining on things they have no clue about. Here, read what an actual military expert has to say on the subject. Maybe you’ll learn something, but I doubt it. https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine
read it.
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December 22, 2022. Literally almost a year old.
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Talks about manpower, likely 3 million draftable men in Ukraine, fails to acknowledge that as the county being invaded they don’t only draft men. There are far more than the 400k (HIGHLY UN)willing Russian
meat shieldssoldiers. -
Mentions Russian firepower might, doesn’t acknowledge with outdated weapons.
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Article was written before Ukrainian counter offensive, before Ukraine landed shots on Russian soil and before F-15s.
nice trash you got there kid can i shit on it more? oh I can? thanks.
that’s an article from a Pro Russian website.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/05/world/europe/cuba-russia-war-human-trafficking.html
Russia is LITERALLY trafficking people because their own soldiers won’t fight. 400k fighting force? More like nada.
Lick my sack boy, fondle them with your wanna-be silver tongue you CCP pussy bitch.
nice trash you got there kid can i shit on it more? oh I can? thanks.
I love how this imbecile reads an article by U.S. Lt. Col. Alex Vershinin retired after 20 years of service, including eight years as an armor officer with four combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and 12 years working as a modeling and simulations officer in NATO and U.S. Army concept development and experimentation, and calls it trash.
Everything the article predicts is currently happening.
Meanwhile, not sure what you think the relevance of your article is here. However, attributing thought to you may be too generous.
You are an utter imbecile and life is going to get very hard for you in the near future. Enjoy being smug while you can though.
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In other news, Ukraine has not held the passports of migrant workers and impressed them into the armed forces, unlike a certain other country.
Technically correct - they only initially refused to allow foreign students to leave the country, and beat up anyone who tried to cross the border.
Source:
Thanks for you ‘proof’:
“The Ukrainian government has launched an emergency hotline for Africans and Asians fleeing, according to the foreign minister. In a tweet, Dmytro Kuleba said the authorities were “working intensively” to ensure the safety and passage of African and Asian students.”
I don’t think Putin will pay you for this one…
Do you know how many Ukrainians actually have a valid passport?
Edit: rough estimate for issued passports
16,594,248 international passports issued since 2016 Population: 44,982,564 (2020), 36,744,634 (2023) ~37% to 45% => likely less than half of the population
https://opendatabot.ua/en/analytics/passports https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-population/#:~:text=The current population of Ukraine,latest United Nations data 1.
Background: On 30 August, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy reported that at a meeting of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, it had been decided that a comprehensive inspection be conducted of the validity of decisions made by military medical commissions since 24 February 2022. These are decisions on disability and unfitness for service that were or may be related to corruption violations. All cases where the decisions were unreasonable and illegal should be investigated by law enforcement agencies, the president said. In addition, Zelenskyy announced that the system of determining fitness for military service must be reassessed to make it easier for commanders to recruit soldiers for combat missions and to prevent the concept of limited fitness from being manipulated.
All these fucking morons in this post thinking all these people will go to the front are delusional but go ahead and tell us how this spells the end of ukr lmao
