This is a more focused follow up to a question I had the other day about moving to other countries. I’m wondering what the best options are for learning a new language at the moment. I’m vaguely aware of companies like Duo-lingo losing their reputation lately and it’s hard to trust the top google results nowadays with all the SEO junk. So does anyone have suggestions for trustworthy/useful sites for learning a new language? If it matters, in particular I’m interested in trying (In roughly this order) Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, or Spanish.
By that logic, it’s refuted. Children produce language during the learning phase.
Children babbling then being able to talk after a long time period of input doesn’t disprove anything. CI just says that talking isn’t learning, which is true, because you’re not receiving any information. That’d be like trying to learn geography without looking at a map, or how to play a musical instrument without hearing anyone play it before.
Are you saying musical instruments are learned entirely by observation, not by production?
There’s no way I can stretch to believing that.
Both of course, but as a life-long musician, listening / reading / getting input is the first and most important step.
If someone has never heard a guitar before, and you hand them one, they’ll have no basis for how or what to play. Instead how people learn, is they listen, then imitate, just like language. Mastery comes not through try / fail / correction, but through listening then playing a lot of different music, so that it becomes completely internalized and occurs without active thought. They call this the suzuki method, and its much preferred nowadays over the traditional method of memorizing scales, the circle of fifths, , which I unfortunately wasted years of my early music learning through.
After playing jazz for a few years now, I couldn’t even imagine how skinner’s method would work for that. Jazz is too complicated to think about or logic your way through, just like language.