• NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    116
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    4 days ago

    What I wonder is how much of that is innate versus learned.

    Because it has been an increasing talking point among the right wing and evangelical churches that empathy is bad. And… a lot of that boils down to not having any.

    • tamiya_tt02@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      3 days ago

      Look at John Fetterman. He had a stroke, now he’s conservative, callous, etc. so, I’d bet it’s both nature and nurture, but the uneducated and religious are more likely to be conservative than liberal.

    • Bone@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      29
      ·
      4 days ago

      It’s like the golden rule simply means as long as we each treat each other shitty we’re good. There needs to be another qualifier, and empathy, or kindness, or something else also needs to be attached. But, look who’s their leader! Clean. Your. House.

      • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        18
        ·
        3 days ago

        There is the Platinum Rule, which is to treat others how they would want to be treated. I’ve heard more references to it in the past few years than I have to the Golden Rule, so I take that as a good sign.

        • teft@piefed.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          3 days ago

          The silver rule is good too. “What you don’t want done to you, don’t do to others.”

    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      3 days ago

      Have you ever seen the culture in USA? Literally both “parties” are genocidal. It’s not learned so much as indoctrinated from birth. Not to mention the racism, patriarchy, etc.

    • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      3 days ago

      it has been an increasing talking point among the right wing and evangelical churches that empathy is bad

      While I’m inclined to believe this, my attempt to add a source came up mostly empty, other than an amusing chapter of CS Lewis’ Screwtape Letters.

      • RunawayFixer@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        19
        ·
        3 days ago

        This was new to me so I tried looking it up as well. I found a lot of results right away with startpage, which makes me wonder what search engine you were using?

        They (the evangelicals) are apparently calling it “toxic empathy” and they jump through a lot of loops to claim that it’s bad to have empathy with the victims of USA republican policies.

        My first result was a long opinion piece criticizing evangelicals for their newfound crusade against empathy: https://churchleaders.com/news/511911-the-scandal-of-evangelical-empathy.html/4

        2nd result is an evangelical that does a bit of mind bending to explain why empathy with outgroups is “toxic”: https://unityinchristianity.com/2025/02/03/the-truth-about-toxic-empathy-and-why-its-becoming-a-controversial-topic/.

        The 3rd article has a claim that Jesus Himself was not empathic: “Clearly the Lord Jesus Christ can be sympathetic, but He cannot be empathetic in the sense of identifying with our sinful emotions and desires.” https://www.e-n.org.uk/features/2025-03-the-problem-with-empathy/ That article also references a book by an evangelical called “the sin of empathy”.

        Modern USA could be summed up by the old Russian adage: “And then, somehow, it got worse.”

        • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          3 days ago

          Thanks. I was using Duck Duck Go for the terms “Evangelical” and “Empathy”, and found only pro-empathy articles on tht first page of results (other than the Screwtape Letters chapter).

        • antbricks@lemmy.today
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          3 days ago

          “…identifying with our sinful emotions and desires” Don’t they also say that’s why he was fucking sent to Earth in the first place?

          And the US evangelical team has won the gold in mental gymnastics once again.

      • RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        3 days ago

        I was at a cocktail party with people who mostly I have known for at least 15 years. This guy came up who is the husband of a good friend of my wife and he was talking about how he doesn’t believe in empathy anymore.

        There’s definitely something in the water