The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don’t think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the “second in command”

  • chalkman@sh.itjust.worksOP
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    I think given their hateful content it is irresponsible to essentially platform their content by remaining federated. Do you really feel the need to stay up to date on the latest transphobic meme and covid conspiracy theories?

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      I don’t feel a need to stay up to date, no. But reading about what those idiots think doesn’t hurt my ego or ruin my day. I just like to have an idea of what the “enemy” is thinking. I don’t want to live in an echo chamber. The sub isn’t even THAT bad compared to what I was expecting. They’ve got some gross posts, don’t get me wrong. But it’s not NEARLY bad enough to warrant defederating. Most of the posted content is moderate-right. Defederating is silly in this case.

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        Removing those that wish people were dead for existing doesn’t create an echo chamber.

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          If they have users calling for violence and those users are not being banned that is one thing. If they have odious opinions on trans healthcare that’s completely different.

          De-federation should be used for instances that promote literal violence. Blocking should be used on communities and posters who have opinions that you can’t stand.

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      Is it not a much more powerful message if the fediverse as a whole down votes the stuff into oblivion. If they are isolated it becomes an us vs them game with them playing the victim.

      When they see that by and large they are ignored and downvoted they might grow up and realize they are acting like dicks.

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        It’s not a matter of the opinions being unpopular and thus toothless. By federating with them we are giving them a larger platform to get their message out to those who will believe it.

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          You don’t see their communities unless you subscribe. If their users are posting in our communities and breaking the rules of the communities then their posts will be deleted and the users banned.

          There are moderation options other than de-federation. De-federation is an option of last resort to protect the greater community from violence, abuse and crime. De-federation is not a tool for sending a political message.

          You can personally block that entire server and you will never see anything from them.

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            You see their shit if you sort by new. Are you like a kbin user? Maybe shit works differently for you.

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              My username shows @Difficult_Bit_1339 to you, so we’re on the same instance. If it had @lemmy.world then I would be a user on the lemmy.world instance.

              If you choose ‘All’ instead of ‘Local’ or ‘Subscribed’ then you see everything that exists, yes. I wouldn’t recommend that since it is an incredibly spammy experience. That being said, you can block any community like so:

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        Tbh that sounds like how people are pushed into extremism. When an open dialog is kept, there is at least a chance a thought provoking discussion would change a mind, even if it’s just one mind. I don’t really know, I don’t mind defederating in this instance ftmp, nothing of value for me there so whatever.

        I guess these ppl are already extremists, so 🤷

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          I agree with this. Isolating communities that have odious beliefs only lead to those beliefs being echoed and intensified in their small spaces, and hence become more extreme over time. It’s not “nipping the issue in the bud” like many people seem to think it is, it’s the complete opposite. Past a certain line we definitely should cut ties, but I guess it’s debatable where that line should be drawn.

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            I think that, in these instances, there is a sort of nuance and humanness that is kinda glossed over.

            Its not really that hard to imagine ending up like that. Im not apologizing for them, I’m just saying that we are in a constant fight with our own biology and alot of stuff depends on circumstance.

            What these people, apparently, need is some lsd or smth cause they are all stuck in their heads. They hate themselves. It’s all projection and protection of something they don’t even understand.

            Should we just let them wallow in their own shit? What is our duty to them, if any? I’m not really sure tbh. But I know pretending that it’s not real ain’t gonna fix shit.

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        They know they’re acting like dicks, they’re openly proud and revel in it and it’s a core, fundamental part of who they are. Hateful bigots such as them don’t have any interest in changing who they are or improving their behaviour, they will just shift the goalposts and double down every time they are challenged. It’s been proven time and time again that they are not looking to be reasonable.