Payment processors should not be allowed to dictate what content they allow to be bought and what not. It’s not their job to police people, let me live ffs
Agreed. If it’s not illegal then it should be allowed.
Not that I approve of this type of content, but corporations should not be selectively enforcing their morals.
So here’s the rub. I agree with you but rules are not universal. They don’t give a shit about the money they’re making now they see the countries whose markets they can’t enter because of various laws and get pissed. So we get held to the most restricted standards that will allow them the most business. It’s bs. Basically since they want to do hypothetical business in like… Vietnam, we have to loose our smut.
Here’s what i think is likely. For one reason or another, they get excessive refund/chargeback requests regarding these types of titles and decided to act as they don’t think it’s profitable.
I don’t think they care what so ever what you buy, as long as it’s profitable for them.
First off: payment processors (yet again) don’t get to dictate what I as a customer am allowed to buy or not. Their reasoning doesn’t matter. If they prohibited sexual material (most do) then they are effectively trying to ban me from consuming or using sexual materials. Fuck. That. Shit. I don’t care for their reasoning, they are a payment processor, process payments and GTFO.
Secondly: this has nothing to do with refunds or chargebacks. Sex is the biggest product on the internet, still, and they’d bank like there is no tomorrow would they allow it. A more realistic scenario is that some religious organizations got their hands in there somewhere as they tend to do, in an effort to ensure that their sick mentality gets applied for everyone because there is no religion like a fucked up religion
Payment processors, such as PayPal. Are private companies and have a wide discretion to decide who they do, and don’t do business with. Just like you as a private person have a wide discretion to decide who you do, and don’t do business with.
A baker has every right to refuse a customer that wants a cake with a swastika on it.
So the same rules have to apply to PayPal being allowed to refuse to do business with certain industries. They are not your bank.
If, it was some “religious organization” that got their hands in PayPal. Why would they only stop authorizing payments in certain regions? Wouldn’t it then be applied everywhere?
The fact that it was only in specific regions. Makes it far more likely that it’s due to the legislation in those regions regarding incest. Rather than a moral decision from corporate PayPal to stop authorizing payments to Steam.
Steam did not remove every porn game. They removed those belonging to a very specific category.
I wish that was the case. It’s mostly just extreme right lobbying groups like Focus on the Family and the Alliance Defending Freedom, the same groups that control the far right, exert colonial control over impoverished African countries, and generally make the world a worse place for everyone. The same groups that manufactured cases to screw up Dobbs, Wedding cake lawsuits, and death penalty laws for LGBTQ citizens of Uganda.
I’m already looking into organizing a secularist group, both lobbying in the style of SKG, both uncovering pseudo-secular organizations rebranding christian moralism as “common sense”.
None of that is relevant to the other comment’s point that these companies should not have that level of authority to dictate what we can or cannot purchase. If it is legal to purchase, then payment processors should not be allowed to deny the purchase. Period.
Which is why the retailer, Steam, already restricts certain regions from buying titles if they are deemed illegal in that region.
Again, it is not the authority of the payment processors to dictate what people can and cannot purchase. Period. No excuses or justifications will be accepted.
You are still refusing to acknowledge that regional legislation can easily prohibit purchases from sources that facilitate illegal products.
I have never heard of a case where payment processors refuse to authorize payment of a legal product because they don’t like the product.
Do you comprehend how big of a problem it is if a payment processor can’t authorize payments to steam? That’s not something they do for the fun of it. It’s because there are legal hurdles. Everyday they can’t authorize payments is lost revenue, and risk of losing customers.
I’m sorry, but you will just have to source your incest porn games from somewhere else.
I’m not missing the point where payment processor aren’t police. But they still need to follow legislation in the region they operate.
First of, it’s not “Point in case”, it’s “Case in point”.
Second, I can honestly say. I have no idea how many payment processors does or does not authorize payments regarding legal porn for various websites.
Feel free to link an article or source that investigates that particular topic.
If you look at the post. They claim “Possibly related to PayPal because people in certain regions have not been able to use it to pay on Steam.”
If this was PayPal taking a stand on a corporate level against porn games on steam. Why would only certain regions be affected instead of everyone?
The obvious answer, is that it’s only certain regions, because of their legislation. If PayPal wish to do business in their region. They have to follow their laws for those customers.
Payment processors should not be allowed to dictate what content they allow to be bought and what not. It’s not their job to police people, let me live ffs
Agreed. If it’s not illegal then it should be allowed. Not that I approve of this type of content, but corporations should not be selectively enforcing their morals.
I think platforms should freely moderate and that payment processors shouldn’t even know the legality
So here’s the rub. I agree with you but rules are not universal. They don’t give a shit about the money they’re making now they see the countries whose markets they can’t enter because of various laws and get pissed. So we get held to the most restricted standards that will allow them the most business. It’s bs. Basically since they want to do hypothetical business in like… Vietnam, we have to loose our smut.
Here’s what i think is likely. For one reason or another, they get excessive refund/chargeback requests regarding these types of titles and decided to act as they don’t think it’s profitable.
I don’t think they care what so ever what you buy, as long as it’s profitable for them.
Yeah, no.
First off: payment processors (yet again) don’t get to dictate what I as a customer am allowed to buy or not. Their reasoning doesn’t matter. If they prohibited sexual material (most do) then they are effectively trying to ban me from consuming or using sexual materials. Fuck. That. Shit. I don’t care for their reasoning, they are a payment processor, process payments and GTFO.
Secondly: this has nothing to do with refunds or chargebacks. Sex is the biggest product on the internet, still, and they’d bank like there is no tomorrow would they allow it. A more realistic scenario is that some religious organizations got their hands in there somewhere as they tend to do, in an effort to ensure that their sick mentality gets applied for everyone because there is no religion like a fucked up religion
Payment processors, such as PayPal. Are private companies and have a wide discretion to decide who they do, and don’t do business with. Just like you as a private person have a wide discretion to decide who you do, and don’t do business with.
A baker has every right to refuse a customer that wants a cake with a swastika on it. So the same rules have to apply to PayPal being allowed to refuse to do business with certain industries. They are not your bank.
If, it was some “religious organization” that got their hands in PayPal. Why would they only stop authorizing payments in certain regions? Wouldn’t it then be applied everywhere?
The fact that it was only in specific regions. Makes it far more likely that it’s due to the legislation in those regions regarding incest. Rather than a moral decision from corporate PayPal to stop authorizing payments to Steam.
Steam did not remove every porn game. They removed those belonging to a very specific category.
I wish that was the case. It’s mostly just extreme right lobbying groups like Focus on the Family and the Alliance Defending Freedom, the same groups that control the far right, exert colonial control over impoverished African countries, and generally make the world a worse place for everyone. The same groups that manufactured cases to screw up Dobbs, Wedding cake lawsuits, and death penalty laws for LGBTQ citizens of Uganda.
We need to stop these Christians from oppressing us.
I’m already looking into organizing a secularist group, both lobbying in the style of SKG, both uncovering pseudo-secular organizations rebranding christian moralism as “common sense”.
uncovering, documenting, and analyzing them is important. even compiling other’s work on a blog is useful
The NGO called “Collective Shout” is behind this one. They are a feminist organisation against the objectification of women and the sexualisation of girls.
Do you have proof of this? Capitalism doesn’t know any sort of morality or ideology other than that which allows it to extract the most value
If that was as true as you want it to be, chick fil a would be open on Sunday.
None of that is relevant to the other comment’s point that these companies should not have that level of authority to dictate what we can or cannot purchase. If it is legal to purchase, then payment processors should not be allowed to deny the purchase. Period.
I’m not even sure those titles are legal everywhere.
Allowing digital purchase of illegal products can very well be criminal for the payment processor in certain regions.
I mean just look at those titles. “Incest daughter - BDSM”.
Which is why the retailer, Steam, already restricts certain regions from buying titles if they are deemed illegal in that region.
Again, it is not the authority of the payment processors to dictate what people can and cannot purchase. Period. No excuses or justifications will be accepted.
You are still refusing to acknowledge that regional legislation can easily prohibit purchases from sources that facilitate illegal products.
I have never heard of a case where payment processors refuse to authorize payment of a legal product because they don’t like the product.
Do you comprehend how big of a problem it is if a payment processor can’t authorize payments to steam? That’s not something they do for the fun of it. It’s because there are legal hurdles. Everyday they can’t authorize payments is lost revenue, and risk of losing customers.
I’m sorry, but you will just have to source your incest porn games from somewhere else.
And you’re missing the point where payment processors aren’t the police. They are not the ones to make any decisions like that, yet they do.
Point in case: hoe many payment processors allow legal porn?
It’s easy to jump onto child pornography, but it’s completely missing the point.
I’m not missing the point where payment processor aren’t police. But they still need to follow legislation in the region they operate.
First of, it’s not “Point in case”, it’s “Case in point”.
Second, I can honestly say. I have no idea how many payment processors does or does not authorize payments regarding legal porn for various websites. Feel free to link an article or source that investigates that particular topic.
If you look at the post. They claim “Possibly related to PayPal because people in certain regions have not been able to use it to pay on Steam.”
If this was PayPal taking a stand on a corporate level against porn games on steam. Why would only certain regions be affected instead of everyone?
The obvious answer, is that it’s only certain regions, because of their legislation. If PayPal wish to do business in their region. They have to follow their laws for those customers.