If you’re forced to live in Israel you won’t be publicly voicing your opinions if they’re against the norm. One of the worst insults is “deserter” for those that did not wish to serve and “leftist” if you go against the murder of innocent people. Sadly being one or the other means problems for you down the road when trying to find a job and generally living a life here. It’s a small country, word gets around quickly and you still have to live here if you don’t have any other citizenship.
I didn’t just see one interview. It was dozens of interviews over the last 20 or so years. If it was just one piece, I would probably agree with you (as I have clearly stated multiple times). And I’m sure there are members of the IDF who are not there willingly and do not support its goals.
But I have a preponderance of evidence which supports my position.
My point is, again, that IDF soldiers are far more loyal, willing, and supportive of the socio/geopolitical goals of Zionist Israel than soldiers of the Wehrmacht were supportive of the Nazi Germany.
The identity politics of being a Zionist are far more… all-encompassing then were the identity politics of being a Nazi.
Stop defending Nazis just because you are extremely ignorant of historical facts and contemporaneous attitudes.
Your evidence supports that there are members of the IDF who are enthusiastically engaged with what they’re doing. I am not debating that- i think you’re right.
But it’s important to remember this absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you haven’t seen interviews of IDF members objecting to what they are doing does not mean those members do not exist. I would expect the IDF to have systems in place to minimize the external visibility if any such objections, which makes a generalization like that dangerous.
I already conceded that there are very likely, in fact, I’m sure of it, members of the IDF that are not there willingly and do not support its goals. The point I’m trying to make is that the proportion IDF soldiers that support Zionism is much higher than the number of supporters of Nazis in the Wehrmacht.
Many members of the Wehrmacht were fighting for Germany, not the Nazis. Every single member of the IDF, except for perhaps a few exceptions, are absolutely fighting for Zionism.
It would be a logical fallacy to jump to such a conclusion without interviewing a randomly sampled and much larger population. It is possible you may be correct or incorrect, but you are jumping to a conclusion about a topic with insufficient data to do so.
It would be a logical fallacy to jump to such a conclusion without interviewing a randomly sampled and much larger population.
Except that it is. And I’ve told you that, several times.
It’s like you have ignored every comment I have made so far. For the IDF of soldiers, there is a huge amount of pluralistic evidence to support this. And for the Wehrmacht soldiers, there is a huge amount of historical evidence that supports this, too.
You don’t wanna be convinced, you just wanna argue a single point and ignore anything that is contrary to it.
All of this information is very publicly available. Since you are so adverse to taking my word for it, go look at these facts up for yourself.
As you are clearly sea lining rather than arguing in good faith, I’m going to block you now.
There’s been multiple polls that show the vast majority of Israelis are behind the genocide of the Palestinians. To think the IDF thinks anything differently is absurd. These people arguing with you are living in a fantasy world.
They aren’t going to let you see the unenthusiastic ones.
They don’t censor foreign internet in Israel. Protesters of the regime can be heard from on the outside, there just aren’t that many of them.
If you’re forced to live in Israel you won’t be publicly voicing your opinions if they’re against the norm. One of the worst insults is “deserter” for those that did not wish to serve and “leftist” if you go against the murder of innocent people. Sadly being one or the other means problems for you down the road when trying to find a job and generally living a life here. It’s a small country, word gets around quickly and you still have to live here if you don’t have any other citizenship.
I didn’t just see one interview. It was dozens of interviews over the last 20 or so years. If it was just one piece, I would probably agree with you (as I have clearly stated multiple times). And I’m sure there are members of the IDF who are not there willingly and do not support its goals.
But I have a preponderance of evidence which supports my position.
My point is, again, that IDF soldiers are far more loyal, willing, and supportive of the socio/geopolitical goals of Zionist Israel than soldiers of the Wehrmacht were supportive of the Nazi Germany.
The identity politics of being a Zionist are far more… all-encompassing then were the identity politics of being a Nazi.
Stop defending Nazis just because you are extremely ignorant of historical facts and contemporaneous attitudes.
Your evidence supports that there are members of the IDF who are enthusiastically engaged with what they’re doing. I am not debating that- i think you’re right.
But it’s important to remember this absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you haven’t seen interviews of IDF members objecting to what they are doing does not mean those members do not exist. I would expect the IDF to have systems in place to minimize the external visibility if any such objections, which makes a generalization like that dangerous.
Important point
Genocide is bad and you are right
I already conceded that there are very likely, in fact, I’m sure of it, members of the IDF that are not there willingly and do not support its goals. The point I’m trying to make is that the proportion IDF soldiers that support Zionism is much higher than the number of supporters of Nazis in the Wehrmacht.
Many members of the Wehrmacht were fighting for Germany, not the Nazis. Every single member of the IDF, except for perhaps a few exceptions, are absolutely fighting for Zionism.
It would be a logical fallacy to jump to such a conclusion without interviewing a randomly sampled and much larger population. It is possible you may be correct or incorrect, but you are jumping to a conclusion about a topic with insufficient data to do so.
Except that it is. And I’ve told you that, several times.
It’s like you have ignored every comment I have made so far. For the IDF of soldiers, there is a huge amount of pluralistic evidence to support this. And for the Wehrmacht soldiers, there is a huge amount of historical evidence that supports this, too.
You don’t wanna be convinced, you just wanna argue a single point and ignore anything that is contrary to it.
All of this information is very publicly available. Since you are so adverse to taking my word for it, go look at these facts up for yourself.
As you are clearly sea lining rather than arguing in good faith, I’m going to block you now.
Have a wonderful time go fuck yourself
If your sample is heavily biased, then the data from it is worthless.
Prove it if you can. Try not to suck Nazi cock on your way to that, though.
Well, then you’re welcome to prove that. I await your evidence to support your assertion.
I’ll warn you ahead of time: arguing against facts usually ends poorly. Beware.
I’m gonna sleep great tonight because I didn’t defend Nazi IDF soldiers.
Nah, I’m not going to argue science and statistics with someone who clearly understands neither.
The beautiful irony here is that you are believing in and spreading IDF propaganda for them.
There’s been multiple polls that show the vast majority of Israelis are behind the genocide of the Palestinians. To think the IDF thinks anything differently is absurd. These people arguing with you are living in a fantasy world.