They are citing ONS figures of excess deaths as proof the vaccines are killing people. I tried to explain that not being able to get a doctor’s appointment, staying home and getting fat, etc explain the figures (official sources have said it too) but they said it’s “gaslighting” and then said their family doctor wouldn’t get the vaccine.
Or they care about you and want you to “see the light”. Most people drinking the conspiracy kool-aid aren’t evil, just gullible and ignorant.