• beteljuice@lemmy.ml
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    Anything but individual action is magic and flowery language. A system, a group, a corporation, an institution is made of individuals. How does ANY action start if not initiated by individuals? I will concede that cleaning up your own behavior may not move the needle much, but changing “the system” still requires individuals to take actions. What are you waiting for? Some magical hive mind to fix things?

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      Do you honestly think that wasn’t implied in me advocating for government action? If this is what you’re clinging to, you’re lost.

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          You’ve gone from strawmaning me to ad-hom purity testing, asking me to make non-falsifiable statements you could just dismiss as bullshit. Why be so dishonest when the fate of our civilisation is at stake? Why not acknowledge there’s a point here and take it on board instead? Make yourself more effective?

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            1 year ago

            Dance with words all you want. I’m personally doing as much as I can to reduce my environmental footprint. You are just blowing hot air.

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              At what point did I suggest you weren’t trying? I’m pointing to the most effective, necessary course of action if things are going to meaningfully change. I’m not sure why you’re getting so defensive that you’d be so dishonest.

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                All I’ve done is suggest that individual action is important along with systemic change and you’ve done nothing but get on my case and label me. It’s not one or the other. This sort of binary thinking is the stupidity that is driving this world over the edge.

                In any case, you claim that systemic change is the way. Please tell me how you are working on that. Let me sit down and strap in…

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                  And I keep saying that individual action is positive, but inadequate, and shouldn’t come at the cost of more effective systemic solutions. I really can’t make it any simpler, nor can I understand why you’re getting bent out of shape at me saying it.

                  Do you want to insist on deflecting to non-falsifiable ad-homs, or do you want a list of things you can do to encourage systemic change?

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                    You certainly know that individual action does not come at the cost of systemic solutions. Thats just horseshit. You aren’t discussing in good faith.

                    I’ve been doing my best to avoid accusations and ad hominem, but since you don’t really have interest in an honest discussion, I’ll be blunt: you are transparent, and obviously just too lazy and undisciplined to do anything personal about the situation, and want daddy authority figure and some tech god to fix everyone for you so you can go bury your head back in video games and burgers. Have a nice day.