The problem with Lemmy isn’t that there are too many leftists around, it’s that most of them are of the annoying kind.
Most users here are either college students or antiwork-style semi-employed NEET-adjacent individuals whose entire worldview is based on Tumblr and TikTok memes. They really think that some online pundit/influencer with the “correct beliefs” on the “current thing” is closer to them and more of their ally than actual working-class proletarians who may for various reasons, have problematic attitudes and beliefs.
That’s of course, without getting into what the latest crop of online leftists even considers problematic. For whatever reason, while the planet is dying, while people are still hungry, while homelessness is rising in the West, they’ve decided that the right of fat gay men who like to wear make up and dresses and straight women who are not satisfied to be low on the oppression totem-pole to call themselves a gender category beyond any human comprehension (non-binary) is the single most important issue affecting global society.
If one should disagree with gender ideology, they need to be killed because they’re a fucking Nazi and definitely not a good fucking human being.
Okay, but you’re being incredibly insensitive by referring to the LGBT crowd the way you just did. You’re dehumanizing them, which is exactly the kind of behavior the people you’re talking about are trying to stop.
Gender is a spectrum, it’s a fact, not an ideology.
Besides that, I do think the culture wars have been pushed onto the working classes in order to divide us so that food insecurity, homelessness, and climate change are not prioritized and our pockets can continue to be picked for the distribution of wealth straight to the top. If we could all stop fighting each other over the minutiae or how people live their lives, we might be able to push politicians to fix higher-level, systemic issues.
Being LGBT myself, I have grown increasingly annoyed and distraught at the inclusion of weird marginal gender issues into the fight for gay rights. I’m very sorry, but my country doesn’t have a Supreme Court that can just legislate gay marriage. If I ever want to be able to have a family, I need to convince people around me that gay people are normal working people who deserve rights like everyone else.
I am sorry but there is no such thing as non-binary gender. There’s no such thing as gender either, there are sexes and then there are cultural expectations built on top of this sexed reality. You can call this gender if you want, but if you do, then the clear progressive and leftwing thing is to do away with gender because gender is a system of exploitation and discrimination. The proper thing to do is not to expand and reify gender.
Oh, you’re a boy who isn’t into sports and cars? Like dolls and fashion? You must be an egg waiting to crack or at least non-binary.
What if instead we could all be men and women, but be men and women in any way we want to be? Without any expectations, without toxicity, without alienating each other? That’s only possible with gender abolition.
You are not only incorrect, but hypocritical and selfish if you want rights for yourself, but not for other LGBT people who absolutely exist, whether you like it or not. Keep in mind that trans people were side by side with gay people at Stonewall and ever since, always fighting for LGBT equality (never just trans equality), and here you are whining that they want equal rights just like you want.
Gender exists, including non-binary genders. I suggest using some modern sources to catch up on LGBT issues, as you seem to have some unhealthy, and frankly bigoted, views on portions of the LGBT community. I’ve seen you completely overblow gender issues in some of your comments with awful and ridiculous “examples” (“transfemme demisexual aromantic oceangender individual” and " transmasculine forestgender cat-boychick") and those shitty “examples” do not represent like any transgender or non-cisgender individuals. That’s just not what’s going on with gender issues at all. Maybe some person online said something like that, but that’s about 0.0001% of trans people.
Exactly zero of the non-cis people I know are anywhere close to your examples. They’re all just normal people who were born where their gender doesn’t match their birth sex.
First of all, I’m really actually asking this cuz I want an opinion on this and because I don’t know much.
Do you really think that what you are suggesting could put a decrease on hate crime and discrimination and rape and belittling of all the different people, all of them belonging to different sets including gender and sex?
Gender, or at least the current western prevailing idea of gender as something innate (with an internal locus) is an oppressive construct of social control. It prevents social cohesion and solidarity. Because how can I as a white transfemme demisexual aromantic oceangender individual understand your experiences as a black transmasculine forestgender cat-boychick?
Only when we accept the biological reality of two sexes, and the reality of free will and freedom to express ourselves, can we move past sexism and more importantly capitalism.
99.9% of this planet toils in agony so that less than a million of super-privileged people can live in luxury. That’s the problem, it’s the ONLY problem.
That hasn’t really been my experience, talking to a lot of people tends to seem like most people seem closer to my age 30s with an interest in tech or a tech background.
I haven’t really run into many teenagers in discussions.
We have correctly identified nazis, derailed their political growth, all from the comfort of tweeting while on the toilet, and you’re mad that we can’t do the same with Exxon.
Yes, you’ve done all that. In your dreams. Meanwhile gen Z is more right wing than the previous two generations and common people are getting fed up with your gender war crap to the point where they’ll vote for DeSantis and Trump just to spite you.
This is misinformation. Gen Z seniors in high school did tend towards right wing.
Republican voters are actually sick of gender war crap coming from DeSantis and Trump, and those politicians lose engagement when they go on about trans people. 65% of the country has the liberal/freedom take on trans health issues.
Sure, but is that the “of age trans people should be able to get on hormones and surgery” or “children should be put on puberty blockers on the slightest suggestion they might be trans, and if parents don’t comply, social services should take the kids away” “liberal take on trans health issues?”
Hold up you are conflating different laws and situations.
But still yes, actually, it is. Support wavers on trans issues when you get into the weeds. Most Americans don’t want to see trans binary people participating in sports, for example. They are far less likely to support trans peoppe having access to surgery as soon as they have medical autonomy (16).
I’m saying this full well knowing every single trans person is required to see 2 psychologists, and multiple doctors during their transition. More if they start as children and finish in adulthood.
The problem with Lemmy isn’t that there are too many leftists around, it’s that most of them are of the annoying kind.
Most users here are either college students or antiwork-style semi-employed NEET-adjacent individuals whose entire worldview is based on Tumblr and TikTok memes. They really think that some online pundit/influencer with the “correct beliefs” on the “current thing” is closer to them and more of their ally than actual working-class proletarians who may for various reasons, have problematic attitudes and beliefs.
That’s of course, without getting into what the latest crop of online leftists even considers problematic. For whatever reason, while the planet is dying, while people are still hungry, while homelessness is rising in the West, they’ve decided that the right of fat gay men who like to wear make up and dresses and straight women who are not satisfied to be low on the oppression totem-pole to call themselves a gender category beyond any human comprehension (non-binary) is the single most important issue affecting global society.
If one should disagree with gender ideology, they need to be killed because they’re a fucking Nazi and definitely not a good fucking human being.
Okay, but you’re being incredibly insensitive by referring to the LGBT crowd the way you just did. You’re dehumanizing them, which is exactly the kind of behavior the people you’re talking about are trying to stop.
Gender is a spectrum, it’s a fact, not an ideology.
Besides that, I do think the culture wars have been pushed onto the working classes in order to divide us so that food insecurity, homelessness, and climate change are not prioritized and our pockets can continue to be picked for the distribution of wealth straight to the top. If we could all stop fighting each other over the minutiae or how people live their lives, we might be able to push politicians to fix higher-level, systemic issues.
Being LGBT myself, I have grown increasingly annoyed and distraught at the inclusion of weird marginal gender issues into the fight for gay rights. I’m very sorry, but my country doesn’t have a Supreme Court that can just legislate gay marriage. If I ever want to be able to have a family, I need to convince people around me that gay people are normal working people who deserve rights like everyone else.
I am sorry but there is no such thing as non-binary gender. There’s no such thing as gender either, there are sexes and then there are cultural expectations built on top of this sexed reality. You can call this gender if you want, but if you do, then the clear progressive and leftwing thing is to do away with gender because gender is a system of exploitation and discrimination. The proper thing to do is not to expand and reify gender.
Oh, you’re a boy who isn’t into sports and cars? Like dolls and fashion? You must be an egg waiting to crack or at least non-binary.
What if instead we could all be men and women, but be men and women in any way we want to be? Without any expectations, without toxicity, without alienating each other? That’s only possible with gender abolition.
You are not only incorrect, but hypocritical and selfish if you want rights for yourself, but not for other LGBT people who absolutely exist, whether you like it or not. Keep in mind that trans people were side by side with gay people at Stonewall and ever since, always fighting for LGBT equality (never just trans equality), and here you are whining that they want equal rights just like you want.
Gender exists, including non-binary genders. I suggest using some modern sources to catch up on LGBT issues, as you seem to have some unhealthy, and frankly bigoted, views on portions of the LGBT community. I’ve seen you completely overblow gender issues in some of your comments with awful and ridiculous “examples” (“transfemme demisexual aromantic oceangender individual” and " transmasculine forestgender cat-boychick") and those shitty “examples” do not represent like any transgender or non-cisgender individuals. That’s just not what’s going on with gender issues at all. Maybe some person online said something like that, but that’s about 0.0001% of trans people.
Exactly zero of the non-cis people I know are anywhere close to your examples. They’re all just normal people who were born where their gender doesn’t match their birth sex.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359295113_The_Biological_Basis_of_Gender_Incongruence
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6748626/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6830997/
First of all, I’m really actually asking this cuz I want an opinion on this and because I don’t know much.
Do you really think that what you are suggesting could put a decrease on hate crime and discrimination and rape and belittling of all the different people, all of them belonging to different sets including gender and sex?
Gender, or at least the current western prevailing idea of gender as something innate (with an internal locus) is an oppressive construct of social control. It prevents social cohesion and solidarity. Because how can I as a white transfemme demisexual aromantic oceangender individual understand your experiences as a black transmasculine forestgender cat-boychick?
Only when we accept the biological reality of two sexes, and the reality of free will and freedom to express ourselves, can we move past sexism and more importantly capitalism.
99.9% of this planet toils in agony so that less than a million of super-privileged people can live in luxury. That’s the problem, it’s the ONLY problem.
That hasn’t really been my experience, talking to a lot of people tends to seem like most people seem closer to my age 30s with an interest in tech or a tech background.
I haven’t really run into many teenagers in discussions.
We have correctly identified nazis, derailed their political growth, all from the comfort of tweeting while on the toilet, and you’re mad that we can’t do the same with Exxon.
Yes, you’ve done all that. In your dreams. Meanwhile gen Z is more right wing than the previous two generations and common people are getting fed up with your gender war crap to the point where they’ll vote for DeSantis and Trump just to spite you.
Good work.
This is misinformation. Gen Z seniors in high school did tend towards right wing. Republican voters are actually sick of gender war crap coming from DeSantis and Trump, and those politicians lose engagement when they go on about trans people. 65% of the country has the liberal/freedom take on trans health issues.
Sure, but is that the “of age trans people should be able to get on hormones and surgery” or “children should be put on puberty blockers on the slightest suggestion they might be trans, and if parents don’t comply, social services should take the kids away” “liberal take on trans health issues?”
Hold up you are conflating different laws and situations. But still yes, actually, it is. Support wavers on trans issues when you get into the weeds. Most Americans don’t want to see trans binary people participating in sports, for example. They are far less likely to support trans peoppe having access to surgery as soon as they have medical autonomy (16).
I’m saying this full well knowing every single trans person is required to see 2 psychologists, and multiple doctors during their transition. More if they start as children and finish in adulthood.