US sponsored hate is behind those genocide accusations.
holomodor was part of Ukrainian destabilization CIA programs that started the day after Ukraine independence. During a global famine, Stalin had to deal with extortionists outside of Ukraine. Stalin was also forced to pay debt to US in food, and that food was mostly shipped from Ukraine. Ukraine did better than most USSR members. Blaming Stalin for anything/everything is popular mob rule brainworm.
China faced terrorism in Xinjiang. Fine, some people got arrested. It’s main response was education and job creation programs. Xinjiang prosperity has grown higher than average of Chinese provinces, with high investment levels. The genocide declaration is political persecution meant to impoverish the region to destabilize it rather than a principled view where “every more heavy handed act with actual documentation of intentional extermination” (Palestine) would be genocide.
The US has political corruption power in imposing determinations of genocide. Reality has no relevance to US Empire’s political will.
The genocide revisionist propaganda was started in 1990s by CIA supported Ukrainian activists. For sure, at the time, the Ukrainian Church were loud complainers to distance/divide themselves from Russian Church, but there is no empirical evidence of Ukrainians being targeted in a difficult situation.
The genocide revisionist propaganda was started in 1990s by CIA supported Ukrainian activists.
Then some of them went back in time to the mid-1970s, when they told me of having to leave Ukraine and go to Canada because of the famines and massacres.
Thank you for uploading these pics to prove user notes in Voyager were a thing, I couldn’t figure out how to google for them and somehow missed the obvious tab in settings repeatedly
Seeing your pictures made me go through again as it’s obviously possible, and I’ve been restoring my tags from connect. Makes remembering people much easier
yeah this tool is so useful I just use voyager because the interface is aesthetically pleasing but since user notes have been added I’m using them constantly.
As Marco Rubio, or US state department, might say after a video documented destruction of a Palestinian hospital, I do not comment on individual cases, we will “very seriously” look into it. Hamas must stop building their military bases under hospitals, and when we kill and rape them all, it will be 100% Hamas’s fault.
There are stories. Judging by another comment that if Xi doesn’t like Winnie the Poo references, you should not only believe them, as your partriotic duty, but at the heart of every unverifiable story, you should also place direct blame at top of Chinese government.
That the region is peaceful and free today should score some points relative to such stories.
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Afterward, in Operation Yellowbird, “brave dissident leaders” were evacuated by western intelligence agencies. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question whether they may already have had close ties to these agencies before the protests began.
Rrrright… Your narrative is contradicting itself.
The military has no business inside a country not at war. That’s what police is for. If you are linking to pictures of tanks in the streets & violent clashes and somehow think about how “it’s the fault of the civlians”, you need to seek mental help. That cognitive dissonance is indicative of a psychological problem.
US sponsored hate is behind those genocide accusations.
ok, source?
China faced terrorism in Xinjiang. Fine, some people got arrested. It’s main response was education and job creation programs. Xinjiang prosperity has grown higher than average of Chinese provinces, with high investment levels. The genocide declaration is political persecution meant to impoverish the region to destabilize it rather than a principled view where “every more heavy handed act with actual documentation of intentional extermination” (Palestine) would be genocide.
also please give me some independent stuff about that terrorism problem, with independent I mean something, that didn’t run through chinese censorship (which I belive you can’t deny exists)
also reeducation is inherently wrong tbh, you just force your values on others by the state
also those “jobs” that are created are slave jobs from what I’ve read
only because some province prospers, does not mean it doesn’t repress a group of people, when slavery was still a thing in the us the slaver states actually prospered the most
now, I think the uighur situation is pretty well documented for the fact, that there are no legal independent chinese media outlets
The US has political corruption power in imposing determinations of genocide. Reality has no relevance to US Empire’s political will.
ok, but from what I’ve read they’re sterilizing uighur women, kill them enslave them and “reeducate” them (reeducation is a nice term for destroying a culture)
also please give me some independent stuff about that terrorism problem, with independent I mean something, that didn’t run through chinese censorship (which I belive you can’t deny exists)
Ask and ye shall receive. The series of terrorist attacks are undisputed by basically anyone with any knowledge of the region’s history
5 February 1992: Two buses exploded in Urumqi, resulting in at least 3 deaths, and 23 injured.
27 February 1997: Bombs detonated on three buses in Urumqi, leaving nine dead and 68 seriously wounded. The Uyghur Liberation Party claims responsibility for the bombings.
19 August 1997: Two gunmen shot into a crowd after attempting to rob shopkeepers in Urumqi, killing 7 people and hospitalizing 11.
1 October 1997: Uyghur separatists detonate a bomb in Kutyun, killing 22 people.
February – April 1998: A series of six explosions occurred in February and March aimed at economic and industrial targets. The following month, authorities reported that bombs exploded at homes and offices of local communist party and public security agents.
19 April 1998: A police officer and two separatist militants were killed in a shootout during a police siege of a separatist hideout. Another police officer was wounded and four separatists captured during the operation.
25 June 1999: A bus is bombed by Uighur separatists, killing one and injuring 50
4 August 2008: ETIM militants reportedly drove a truck into a group of approximately 70 jogging policemen. According to official Chinese media accounts, they then got out of the truck wielding machetes, and lobbed grenades at the officers, killing 16 people. Police investigators recovered explosives as well as a homemade firearm.
10 August 2008: Xinhua reported that seven men armed with homemade explosives reportedly drove taxis into government buildings, in Kuqa, Xinjiang, injuring at least two police officers and a security guard. Five of the assailants were shot and killed. The attacks began at 2:30 am when five assailants drove taxis into the local public security and industry and commerce buildings. The Communist Party chief in Xinjiang condemned the attack as an act of terrorism, and suspected the ETIM was responsible.
12 August 2008: Chinese media reported that three security officers were killed in a stabbing incident in Yamanya, near Kashgar in Xinjiang. The report did not specify what the attacker’s affiliations were.
5 July 2009: A series of violent riots over several days broke out on 5 July 2009 in Ürümqi, the capital city of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, in northwestern China. The first day’s rioting, which involved at least 1,000 Uyghurs, began as a protest, but escalated into violent attacks that mainly targeted Han people. According to Chinese state media, a total of 197 people died, most of whom were Han people or non-Muslim minorities, with 1,721 others injured and many vehicles and buildings destroyed.
19 August 2010: According to Chinese media reports, six ethnic Uyghur men were allegedly involved in loading a vehicle with explosives and driving into a group of security officers at a highway intersection near Aksu, Xinjiang. Seven people, including two attackers, were killed, according to police
18 July 2011: Chinese media reported that 18 people died when 18 young Uyghur men stormed a police station in the city of Hotan. The men stabbed a security guard and two female hostages, and killed another security guard with a bomb.
30–31 July 2011: At least 18 people died in a series of alleged terrorist attacks in the city of Kashgar. According to state-run media accounts, the violence began when two Uyghur men hijacked a truck, ran it into a crowded street, and started stabbing people, killing six. On the second day, state media reported that a “group of armed terrorists” stormed a restaurant, killed the owner and a waiter, and set it ablaze. They then proceeded to indiscriminately kill four more civilians. The Turkistan Islamic Party later claimed responsibility for the attack.
29 June 2012 Chinese official media reported that six men attempted to hijack Tianjin Airlines flight GS7554 from Hotan to Urumqi, Xinjiang. The men reportedly sought to gain access to cockpit ten minutes after takeoff, but were stopped by passengers and crew. A spokesperson for the Xinjiang government said the men were ethnic Uyghurs. Xinhua reported at least 10 passengers and crew were injured when six hijackers tried to take control of the aircraft.
24 April 2013: It was an incident of ethnic clash that took place between Muslim Uyghur and Han Chinese community. As reported by BBC nearly 21 people were killed in the incident including 15 police officers and local government officials.
30 April 2014: A knife attack and bombing occurred in the Chinese city of Ürümqi, the capital of China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. The attack left three people dead and seventy-nine others injured.
22 May 2014: Two sport utility vehicles (SUVs) carrying five assailants were driven into a busy street market in Ürümqi. Up to a dozen explosives were thrown at shoppers from the windows of the SUVs. The SUVs crashed into shoppers then collided with each other and exploded. 43 people were killed, including 4 of the assailants, and more than 90 wounded.
28 November 2014: Militants with knives and explosives attacked civilians, 15 dead and 14 injured. 14 of the 15 deaths were attackers.
6 March 2015: Three ethnic Uyghur assailants with long knives attacked civilians at Guangzhou train station, 13 injured.
24 June 2015: Group killed several police with knives and bombs at traffic checkpoint before 15 suspects died in armed response
18 September 2015: An unidentified group of knife-wielding men attacked off-duty workers at a coalmine, killing 50, among them 5 police officers
29 December 2016: Islamic militants drove a vehicle into a yard at the county Communist party offices and set off a bomb but were all shot dead. Three people were wounded and one other died.
I’m not sure what your intention is there. You asked for information about something and I provided it.
I cited Wikipedia as a quick reference for something uncontroversial, which, as per your request, is independent of Chinese censorship. That doesn’t mean I treat it like the Word of God. That’s not really how sources work. For instance, a lot of the information in the article you linked traces back to Adrian Zenz. Adrian Zenz was also the primary source cited in two of your three previous links - the other of which made no mention of genocide.
Lots of countries have internment camps. Would you find it objectionable if I said that Biden was directly committing genocide by detaining undocumented migrants in interment camps?
Absolutely. Including the US led corruption of UN. You can tell by the lack of documented examples. The undercover propaganda documentaries are jokes that don’t prove anything other than “Education involves similar to US pledge of allegiance “right answers” to CCP is good”.
People getting arrested for terrorist incitement/acts is not genocide. Education and job creation prosperity is not genocide. Xinjiang is also exempt from 1 child policy. The prosperity includes poverty alleviation, restaurant and cultural funding booms. It is a nice welcoming place to visit. You can see tourism videos on Youtube.
but from what I’ve read they’re sterilizing uighur women,
There are reports of this. (not your slavery claim). Such reports can be coached for political diminishment purposes. The more that you want BS to be true, the friendlier you are to volunteering liars. Uyghur used to be allowed to have more children than Han. New policy is that all are equal.
This happens to be higher than Chinese average, and triple the birth rate of US, with the 2023 bounceback, but even at 2021 (covid) low, over double the US. So why is US genociding itself according to this politicization? There is US politicization that “transgender immigrant cat eating rapists are invading the country” too. Just because the next congress might successfully impeach Biden for such treason, won’t make it true instead of political BS. The US, like Israel, is capable of lying, and willing to, and now in fact desperate to make any and every, lie to advance its empire.
ok, you’re baslly saying china is a perfect utopia and everything bad about them is made up by the us, got it
Why do libs think that pushing back on the most egregious claims about a country means that a person considers it, “A perfect utopia?” There are plenty of bad things about China that aren’t made up, just as there are for any country. The world is in fact, quite complex when you practice basic critical thinking and treat claims with skepticism and take the good with the bad. It’s much simpler when you just accept any negative claim anybody says about whichever country the news tells you to hate.
The sources you cite rely on Adrian Zenz, an evangelical Christian fundamentalist who works for an organization called, “The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation,” an organization with ties to the Heritage Foundation and which counted everyone who died of COVID as a, “Victim of Communism.” Somehow. That’s not a reliable source.
“Better” only in the sense of having a higher death toll: 7 to 10 million out of a total population of about 30 million.
More credible number is: 3.9 million in Ukraine, 3.3 million in Russia, and 1.3 million in Kazakhstan.
Kazakhstan being the highest per capita. Holomodor is a Ukrainian word used specifically to politically get US and its colonies to validate Ukrainian nationalist hatred. The only places that recognized the political “lets demonize Stalin” and make up your numbers to do so.
US sponsored hate is behind those genocide accusations.
holomodor was part of Ukrainian destabilization CIA programs that started the day after Ukraine independence. During a global famine, Stalin had to deal with extortionists outside of Ukraine. Stalin was also forced to pay debt to US in food, and that food was mostly shipped from Ukraine. Ukraine did better than most USSR members. Blaming Stalin for anything/everything is popular mob rule brainworm.
China faced terrorism in Xinjiang. Fine, some people got arrested. It’s main response was education and job creation programs. Xinjiang prosperity has grown higher than average of Chinese provinces, with high investment levels. The genocide declaration is political persecution meant to impoverish the region to destabilize it rather than a principled view where “every more heavy handed act with actual documentation of intentional extermination” (Palestine) would be genocide.
The US has political corruption power in imposing determinations of genocide. Reality has no relevance to US Empire’s political will.
CIA was formed in 1947, Holodomor genocide was 1932-33🤔
The genocide revisionist propaganda was started in 1990s by CIA supported Ukrainian activists. For sure, at the time, the Ukrainian Church were loud complainers to distance/divide themselves from Russian Church, but there is no empirical evidence of Ukrainians being targeted in a difficult situation.
Then some of them went back in time to the mid-1970s, when they told me of having to leave Ukraine and go to Canada because of the famines and massacres.
this is not contradicting what humanspiral said
That’s because you trimmed the part that does, weird that you did that
Sorry, that’s my bad.
What are your thoughts on this?
Marked Tankie please ignore, block and move on mate.
(Yes I will keep calling them out for their bullshit views and not let them spread their dumb propaganda)
Side note:
Thank you for uploading these pics to prove user notes in Voyager were a thing, I couldn’t figure out how to google for them and somehow missed the obvious tab in settings repeatedly
Seeing your pictures made me go through again as it’s obviously possible, and I’ve been restoring my tags from connect. Makes remembering people much easier
yeah this tool is so useful I just use voyager because the interface is aesthetically pleasing but since user notes have been added I’m using them constantly.
As Marco Rubio, or US state department, might say after a video documented destruction of a Palestinian hospital, I do not comment on individual cases, we will “very seriously” look into it. Hamas must stop building their military bases under hospitals, and when we kill and rape them all, it will be 100% Hamas’s fault.
There are stories. Judging by another comment that if Xi doesn’t like Winnie the Poo references, you should not only believe them, as your partriotic duty, but at the heart of every unverifiable story, you should also place direct blame at top of Chinese government.
That the region is peaceful and free today should score some points relative to such stories.
I suppose that BBC report could be wrong, but I think the BBC are usually pretty accurate, so it could well be an accurate report. It looks like the US, UK, and Australian governments believed that the report was accurate.
what an odd place to be reminded about the sleaford mods, granted i know them from prodigy lol.
Removed by mod
Repeat after me: The Chinese military massacred students on Tiananmen square in 1989, and Xi Jinping resembles Winnie the Pooh.
flubdiflubfla
That is not what happened. In fact, in the square itself, literally no one died.
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Afterward, in Operation Yellowbird, “brave dissident leaders” were evacuated by western intelligence agencies. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question whether they may already have had close ties to these agencies before the protests began.
Rrrright… Your narrative is contradicting itself. The military has no business inside a country not at war. That’s what police is for. If you are linking to pictures of tanks in the streets & violent clashes and somehow think about how “it’s the fault of the civlians”, you need to seek mental help. That cognitive dissonance is indicative of a psychological problem.
ok, source?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/31/china-unrelenting-crimes-against-humanity-targeting-uyghurs
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights
so all my listes sources are us propaganda?
also please give me some independent stuff about that terrorism problem, with independent I mean something, that didn’t run through chinese censorship (which I belive you can’t deny exists)
also reeducation is inherently wrong tbh, you just force your values on others by the state
also those “jobs” that are created are slave jobs from what I’ve read
only because some province prospers, does not mean it doesn’t repress a group of people, when slavery was still a thing in the us the slaver states actually prospered the most
now, I think the uighur situation is pretty well documented for the fact, that there are no legal independent chinese media outlets
ok, but from what I’ve read they’re sterilizing uighur women, kill them enslave them and “reeducate” them (reeducation is a nice term for destroying a culture)
Ask and ye shall receive. The series of terrorist attacks are undisputed by basically anyone with any knowledge of the region’s history
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China
5 February 1992: Two buses exploded in Urumqi, resulting in at least 3 deaths, and 23 injured.
27 February 1997: Bombs detonated on three buses in Urumqi, leaving nine dead and 68 seriously wounded. The Uyghur Liberation Party claims responsibility for the bombings.
19 August 1997: Two gunmen shot into a crowd after attempting to rob shopkeepers in Urumqi, killing 7 people and hospitalizing 11.
1 October 1997: Uyghur separatists detonate a bomb in Kutyun, killing 22 people.
February – April 1998: A series of six explosions occurred in February and March aimed at economic and industrial targets. The following month, authorities reported that bombs exploded at homes and offices of local communist party and public security agents.
19 April 1998: A police officer and two separatist militants were killed in a shootout during a police siege of a separatist hideout. Another police officer was wounded and four separatists captured during the operation.
25 June 1999: A bus is bombed by Uighur separatists, killing one and injuring 50
4 August 2008: ETIM militants reportedly drove a truck into a group of approximately 70 jogging policemen. According to official Chinese media accounts, they then got out of the truck wielding machetes, and lobbed grenades at the officers, killing 16 people. Police investigators recovered explosives as well as a homemade firearm.
10 August 2008: Xinhua reported that seven men armed with homemade explosives reportedly drove taxis into government buildings, in Kuqa, Xinjiang, injuring at least two police officers and a security guard. Five of the assailants were shot and killed. The attacks began at 2:30 am when five assailants drove taxis into the local public security and industry and commerce buildings. The Communist Party chief in Xinjiang condemned the attack as an act of terrorism, and suspected the ETIM was responsible.
12 August 2008: Chinese media reported that three security officers were killed in a stabbing incident in Yamanya, near Kashgar in Xinjiang. The report did not specify what the attacker’s affiliations were.
5 July 2009: A series of violent riots over several days broke out on 5 July 2009 in Ürümqi, the capital city of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, in northwestern China. The first day’s rioting, which involved at least 1,000 Uyghurs, began as a protest, but escalated into violent attacks that mainly targeted Han people. According to Chinese state media, a total of 197 people died, most of whom were Han people or non-Muslim minorities, with 1,721 others injured and many vehicles and buildings destroyed.
19 August 2010: According to Chinese media reports, six ethnic Uyghur men were allegedly involved in loading a vehicle with explosives and driving into a group of security officers at a highway intersection near Aksu, Xinjiang. Seven people, including two attackers, were killed, according to police
18 July 2011: Chinese media reported that 18 people died when 18 young Uyghur men stormed a police station in the city of Hotan. The men stabbed a security guard and two female hostages, and killed another security guard with a bomb.
30–31 July 2011: At least 18 people died in a series of alleged terrorist attacks in the city of Kashgar. According to state-run media accounts, the violence began when two Uyghur men hijacked a truck, ran it into a crowded street, and started stabbing people, killing six. On the second day, state media reported that a “group of armed terrorists” stormed a restaurant, killed the owner and a waiter, and set it ablaze. They then proceeded to indiscriminately kill four more civilians. The Turkistan Islamic Party later claimed responsibility for the attack.
29 June 2012 Chinese official media reported that six men attempted to hijack Tianjin Airlines flight GS7554 from Hotan to Urumqi, Xinjiang. The men reportedly sought to gain access to cockpit ten minutes after takeoff, but were stopped by passengers and crew. A spokesperson for the Xinjiang government said the men were ethnic Uyghurs. Xinhua reported at least 10 passengers and crew were injured when six hijackers tried to take control of the aircraft.
24 April 2013: It was an incident of ethnic clash that took place between Muslim Uyghur and Han Chinese community. As reported by BBC nearly 21 people were killed in the incident including 15 police officers and local government officials.
30 April 2014: A knife attack and bombing occurred in the Chinese city of Ürümqi, the capital of China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. The attack left three people dead and seventy-nine others injured.
22 May 2014: Two sport utility vehicles (SUVs) carrying five assailants were driven into a busy street market in Ürümqi. Up to a dozen explosives were thrown at shoppers from the windows of the SUVs. The SUVs crashed into shoppers then collided with each other and exploded. 43 people were killed, including 4 of the assailants, and more than 90 wounded.
28 November 2014: Militants with knives and explosives attacked civilians, 15 dead and 14 injured. 14 of the 15 deaths were attackers.
6 March 2015: Three ethnic Uyghur assailants with long knives attacked civilians at Guangzhou train station, 13 injured.
24 June 2015: Group killed several police with knives and bombs at traffic checkpoint before 15 suspects died in armed response
18 September 2015: An unidentified group of knife-wielding men attacked off-duty workers at a coalmine, killing 50, among them 5 police officers
29 December 2016: Islamic militants drove a vehicle into a yard at the county Communist party offices and set off a bomb but were all shot dead. Three people were wounded and one other died.
Libs be like:
Al Qaida 😡
Al Qaida, China 😍
so we agree, that wikipedia is an independent source? ok
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps
I’m not sure what your intention is there. You asked for information about something and I provided it.
I cited Wikipedia as a quick reference for something uncontroversial, which, as per your request, is independent of Chinese censorship. That doesn’t mean I treat it like the Word of God. That’s not really how sources work. For instance, a lot of the information in the article you linked traces back to Adrian Zenz. Adrian Zenz was also the primary source cited in two of your three previous links - the other of which made no mention of genocide.
Lots of countries have internment camps. Would you find it objectionable if I said that Biden was directly committing genocide by detaining undocumented migrants in interment camps?
Absolutely. Including the US led corruption of UN. You can tell by the lack of documented examples. The undercover propaganda documentaries are jokes that don’t prove anything other than “Education involves similar to US pledge of allegiance “right answers” to CCP is good”.
People getting arrested for terrorist incitement/acts is not genocide. Education and job creation prosperity is not genocide. Xinjiang is also exempt from 1 child policy. The prosperity includes poverty alleviation, restaurant and cultural funding booms. It is a nice welcoming place to visit. You can see tourism videos on Youtube.
There are reports of this. (not your slavery claim). Such reports can be coached for political diminishment purposes. The more that you want BS to be true, the friendlier you are to volunteering liars. Uyghur used to be allowed to have more children than Han. New policy is that all are equal.
This happens to be higher than Chinese average, and triple the birth rate of US, with the 2023 bounceback, but even at 2021 (covid) low, over double the US. So why is US genociding itself according to this politicization? There is US politicization that “transgender immigrant cat eating rapists are invading the country” too. Just because the next congress might successfully impeach Biden for such treason, won’t make it true instead of political BS. The US, like Israel, is capable of lying, and willing to, and now in fact desperate to make any and every, lie to advance its empire.
ok, you’re baslly saying china is a perfect utopia and everything bad about them is made up by the us, got it
you see, the world becomes very simple when you think like that
but there must surely be some sources that help your claim that everything of that is just propaganda
Why do libs think that pushing back on the most egregious claims about a country means that a person considers it, “A perfect utopia?” There are plenty of bad things about China that aren’t made up, just as there are for any country. The world is in fact, quite complex when you practice basic critical thinking and treat claims with skepticism and take the good with the bad. It’s much simpler when you just accept any negative claim anybody says about whichever country the news tells you to hate.
The sources you cite rely on Adrian Zenz, an evangelical Christian fundamentalist who works for an organization called, “The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation,” an organization with ties to the Heritage Foundation and which counted everyone who died of COVID as a, “Victim of Communism.” Somehow. That’s not a reliable source.
“Better” only in the sense of having a higher death toll: 7 to 10 million out of a total population of about 30 million.
Those high investment levels being funneled exclusively to Han Chinese who have been brought in to displace the Uighurs who have been put into camps.
Right, and putting people into camps in order to exterminate their ethnic identity isn’t.
More credible number is: 3.9 million in Ukraine, 3.3 million in Russia, and 1.3 million in Kazakhstan.
Kazakhstan being the highest per capita. Holomodor is a Ukrainian word used specifically to politically get US and its colonies to validate Ukrainian nationalist hatred. The only places that recognized the political “lets demonize Stalin” and make up your numbers to do so.
He’s tagged mate please block, ignore and move on.
username is uh, weirdly fitting.