• DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    What’s the point of staying with Windows 10? You’re just pushing the problem further ahead in time. You might as well start leaning Linux now, instead of waiting til you have no other choice.

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      2 months ago

      I can only speak for myself, but I have always had bad luck with Linux on desktop. Something always breaks, isn’t compatible, or requires a lengthy installation process involving compiling multiple libraries because no .deb or .rpm is available.

      On servers, it’s fantastic. If you count VMs, I have far more Linux installations than Windows. In general, I use Win10 LTSC for anything that requires a GUI and Ubuntu Server for anything that only needs CLI or hosts a web interface.

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        Might try again. It’s come leaps and bounds in the past few years. I’ve been Linux only for the past few years after dual booting for many and the one thing I miss is game pass. Every game I’ve tried on steam or gog works — often better than on windows.

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          2 months ago

          The problem with Linux is fundamental, and no distro is going to solve it.

          1. It’s made by devs and for devs. The reliance on the CLI is it’s death knell. It will never be usable for normies until this problem is solved but nobody wants to solve it because it’s “so great”. Even when there is a simple solution, if you search for it, the only thing you will get is CLI solutions.

          2. #1 is compounded by the variety of distros. Meaning often when you do attempt those CLI fixes, they simply don’t work and return some sort of generic error with no hint as to what the actual problem is.

          Things like changing the default power profile, adding fractional scaling, or changing the default audio device, all things that are super simple on any other OS, are ridiculously convoluted.

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            2 months ago

            At least for me, the whole “made by devs for devs” isn’t really the major downfall. It’s the fact that it can’t be trusted to remain functional in a dynamic environment. I like using the command line, but sometimes that’s just not enough.

            If I need a specific software package, I can download the source, compile it, along with the 100 of libraries that they chose not to include in the .tar.gz file, and eventually get it running.

            However, when I do an “apt update” and it changes enough, then the binary I compiled earlier is going to stop working. Then I spend hours trying to recompile it along with it’s dependencies, only to find that it doesn’t support some obscure sub-version of a package that got installed along with the latest security updates.

            In a static environment, where I will never change settings or install software (like my NAS), it’s perfect. On my desktop PC, I just want it to work well enough so I can tinker with other things. I don’t want to have to troubleshoot why Gnome or KDE isn’t working with my video drivers when all I want to do is launch remote desktop so I can tinker with stuff on a server that I actually want to tinker with.

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              This isn’t an issue anymore with flatpacks and snaps. I’ve been using Pop_OS for years now and I’ve never had to compile anything. If the deb isn’t available, or is the wrong version, there is a flatpack of the latest version. These aren’t tied to system package versions so you don’t run into dependency hell. It’s all managed through the pop shop so you never have to use the command line to install software at all.

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            2 months ago

            Ironic that Windows has become the same way. New functionality is available first as a Powershell command before the GUI control is written. This is because those are two efforts. First you write the function then you need to call the function from a GUI element.

            Ironic #2 is that Pop_OS comes with more settings available in the GUI than any other Linux I have used. Maybe you haven’t tried it.

            To say no distro can fix is nonsense. Any distro can make new GUI elements and because it’s open source once the work is done other distros can add the same to their own menus.

            Just like it has taken Microsoft over a decade to develop the new settings app, they still haven’t achieved feature parity with the control panel. This should make obvious how much hard work is required.

            So the solution is that we just need to write more GUI menus for linux and I’m fine with that. It’s nice to have the option to use a menu or edit the text file. Then everyone gets what they want.

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              Ironic that Windows has become the same way.

              Not at all. Windows might take a while to get it but they do eventually get it. Linux never does.

              Ironic #2 is that Pop_OS comes with more settings available in the GUI than any other Linux I have used.

              Any of the ones that I mentioned?

              To say no distro can fix is nonsense.

              I didn’t say they can’t, I said they won’t.

              Just like it has taken Microsoft over a decade to develop the new settings app, they still haven’t achieved feature parity with the control panel. This should make obvious how much hard work is required.

              I just attribute that to a lack of fucks given. No way the largest company in the world can’t figure out how to do that.

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                Yes, literally everything you mentioned can be changed in the gui of pop_os. You should really try it before being so confidently incorrect. It’s not a matter of won’t because they already did. They are making improvements all the time.

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                    2 months ago

                    Your research obviously does not include installing pop_os. The settings are in what you would call on Windows the “system tray”. The menu in the corner. You have some quick settings there, which includes the power profile. Then you can open the full settings app which has everything. Just go look for yourself.

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            2 months ago

            Most of those CLI instances I had to do on week one.

            Since then… Hardly ever. (On Pop_OS!)

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        My experience with Arch and BTRFS has been nothing but great. If my system break I can just roll back a snapshot.

        I avoid Debian, Ubuntu or other distros that hold back package versions because that’s where the problem starts in my opinion. I shouldn’t have to use workarounds to install the packages I want. Arch with the AUR just work so far.

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        But if you can’t run Windows 11 then you’re on your own once the support for 10 stops…

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          Ok, but if you need to use Windows then people telling you “Just install Linux” isn’t a solution.

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            Staying on an old and unsecure OS sure is a solution, but it’s incredibly fucking stupid.

            At least you could install Linux and use an old Windows version inside a VM instead of running a vulnerable system on bare metal. That way you can still use Windows when you need to.

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                People with exploits available that are unpatched are waiting for that end of support. It increases the value of their unreleased exploit.

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      Windows Mixed Reality (ie: Windows VR) was deprecated and removed from Windows 11.

      So, if you have a WMR VR Set, you’re going to be stuck with Windows 10 (or an even lesser supported Version of windows 11 - v 23H2).

      It really sucks, given the price point I’ve throughly enjoying my Odyssey+. I’ve had it for 4 years, but now I’d need to decide if I dual boot (which sucks) or see if another VR headset reaches my price point (which is also dumb, because I don’t find the O+ to be “that bad”).