Project92 and the Fediverse - A Smarter Battle Plan to Protect the Open Social Web
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With the upcoming #meta #Project92 Fediverse service, there has been a, well, robust discussion of how to avoid threats looming. Those advocating mass-preemptive defederation make three cases for it. ➡️ To avoid data mining … However, defederation does virtually zero to avoid any big tech entity scraping all the Fediverse public social graph today - Want proof? See here: is.gd/q8U2pv But what if they merge that Fediverse data with their own internal data from IG isn’t that worse than just scraped data?

It is expected to be 2-3 months before Threads is ready to federate (see link). There will, inevitably, be five different reactions from instances:

  1. Federate regardless (mostly the toxic instances everyone else blocks)

  2. Federate with extreme caution and good preparation (some instances with the resources and remit from their users)

  3. Defederate (wait and see)

  4. Defederate with the intention of staying defederated

  5. Defederate with all Threads-federated instances too

It’s all good. Instances should do what works best for them and people should make their home with the instances that have the moderation policies they want.

In the interests of instances which choose options 2 or 3, perhaps we could start to build a pre-emptive block list for known bad actors on Threads?

I’m not on it but I think a fair few people are? And there are various commentaries which name some of the obvious offenders.

  • Kerrigor@kbin.social
    82·
    1 year ago

    Ever heard of XMPP?

    If a single party participating in an open standard is large enough, they can go off the track, and then kill off interoperability.

    • kobra@lemm.ee
      112·
      1 year ago

      The XMPP history going around Lemmy lately is kind of exaggerated.

      • CthuluVoIP@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        1 year ago

        It’s blatantly wrong. Google extended XMPP for their own purposes and when participating with XMPP no longer suited them, they left. The collapse of the “XMPP userbase” is a misnomer - those users were never XMPP users. They were Google Chat users. When Google left, XMPP was in the same state it was in before Google got on board. It returned to its status as a niche protocol for a service that, as @[email protected] points out, people didn’t really want anymore.

    • effingjoe@kbin.social
      64·
      1 year ago

      I feel like people read a comment that linked XMPP with EEE and keep parroting it while not understanding it.

      XMPP still exists, but people largely don’t want “Instant Messaging” anymore. They don’t want to care about whether the person is online before they can send a message.

      Google dropping support for XMPP didn’t do that, it’s what caused them to drop it. They moved on to what people wanted: asynchronous messaging.

      This concern about the now overused “EEE” stuff is blown away out of proportion.

    • Flax@feddit.uk
      24·
      1 year ago

      But this isn’t a single party. Mastodon and Lemmy and Kbin are well established

      • Kerrigor@kbin.social
        8·
        1 year ago

        They’re well-established now. A behemoth like Meta entering upends everything. Especially if they gain traction over the next year.