That right there is a wedge that can be opened. (Not be someone who comes across as being left-wing, who they’ll likely reject out of hand, mind).
The seed of doubt has been sown, and now it remains to be asked just how kidnapping brown people (phrasing it that way won’t work but I’m not currently trying to convince anyone…) benefits them, personally. It’s an opportunity to examine the disconnect between things they feel are connected - “everything is shit and I don’t have enough money” and “there’s too many foreigners and brown people”.
“They took our jerbs!”
“You lost your job to an immgrant?”
“Well, no, but…”
“Who do you know that has lost their job to an immigrant?”
“Well, personally no one, but that’s not the point!”
“…”
That’s when you find out it’s not about belief, it’s about tribalism. It’s essentially a religion (or a cult).
Their friends are idiots. The people they look up to are idiots. It’s extremely difficult to separate someone from their “tribe” because that’s where they feel safest.
You can use logic and reality with them only until they run back to is their faith.
Americanism is a new religion. Good luck reasoning with it.
You can’t rehabilitate these people. What you can do is make them feel betrayed so they point in the right direction, then later shame them back into keeping their racist bullshit buried deep down
They’re never going to fully accept that ethnic cleansing is wrong, or even that it wouldn’t accomplish their goals, but they can be made to understand it’s not socially acceptable to share those opinions
And doing that makes them even think about it less. But deep down, people who cheer these camps and ICE raids will always be deeply racist and lacking in compassion. This isn’t ignorance, this is naked desire for an enthnostate.
That degree of racism will always be there, and must always be kept under the surface by social pressure
Some people are like that, but some aren’t. Some people are convinced to hate a group because of lies, propaganda and confirmation bias. When the lies start to be exposed, it can also start to unravel the hatred.
It can be difficult to expose lies in a way that is convincing, especially nowadays when media is so polarised, so people from another camp are likely to think you are lying if you challenge their existing beliefs. But this is obviously an example of people starting to realise they’ve been lied to nevertheless.
You assume that the things that informed you of trump’s lies were heard and found convincing by all the magas. Here’s living proof that people are capable of understanding, eventually.
Not American, but news here have been focusing heavily and specifically on immigrants instances of crime for years, pushing often the same talking points Fox News uses; it affects people’s perception of reality, they feel threatened and they are given no perspective on how prevalent it actually is or the systemic reasons why.
Now that doesn’t justify the hate they display, but many could be led to reason if the outside pressure leveraging their ignorance stopped.
That right there is a wedge that can be opened. (Not be someone who comes across as being left-wing, who they’ll likely reject out of hand, mind).
The seed of doubt has been sown, and now it remains to be asked just how kidnapping brown people (phrasing it that way won’t work but I’m not currently trying to convince anyone…) benefits them, personally. It’s an opportunity to examine the disconnect between things they feel are connected - “everything is shit and I don’t have enough money” and “there’s too many foreigners and brown people”.
I’ve been trying something similar for years:
“They took our jerbs!” “You lost your job to an immgrant?” “Well, no, but…” “Who do you know that has lost their job to an immigrant?” “Well, personally no one, but that’s not the point!” “…”
I lost my job to overseas Indians and I don’t blame them one lick. Blame the capitalists sending those jobs overseas.
That’s when you find out it’s not about belief, it’s about tribalism. It’s essentially a religion (or a cult).
Their friends are idiots. The people they look up to are idiots. It’s extremely difficult to separate someone from their “tribe” because that’s where they feel safest.
You can use logic and reality with them only until they run back to is their faith.
Americanism is a new religion. Good luck reasoning with it.
Appropriately enough the phrase “seed of doubt” is often used in religious contexts :)
You can’t rehabilitate these people. What you can do is make them feel betrayed so they point in the right direction, then later shame them back into keeping their racist bullshit buried deep down
They’re never going to fully accept that ethnic cleansing is wrong, or even that it wouldn’t accomplish their goals, but they can be made to understand it’s not socially acceptable to share those opinions
And doing that makes them even think about it less. But deep down, people who cheer these camps and ICE raids will always be deeply racist and lacking in compassion. This isn’t ignorance, this is naked desire for an enthnostate.
That degree of racism will always be there, and must always be kept under the surface by social pressure
Some people are like that, but some aren’t. Some people are convinced to hate a group because of lies, propaganda and confirmation bias. When the lies start to be exposed, it can also start to unravel the hatred.
It can be difficult to expose lies in a way that is convincing, especially nowadays when media is so polarised, so people from another camp are likely to think you are lying if you challenge their existing beliefs. But this is obviously an example of people starting to realise they’ve been lied to nevertheless.
If this were the case with MAGA, they would have stopped supporting Trump years ago.
These people are in a cult. Simply pointing out lies isn’t enough.
You assume that the things that informed you of trump’s lies were heard and found convincing by all the magas. Here’s living proof that people are capable of understanding, eventually.
Did you even read what they said, they’re still fucking fascists.
It’s a mixed bag, as the other commenter said.
Not American, but news here have been focusing heavily and specifically on immigrants instances of crime for years, pushing often the same talking points Fox News uses; it affects people’s perception of reality, they feel threatened and they are given no perspective on how prevalent it actually is or the systemic reasons why.
Now that doesn’t justify the hate they display, but many could be led to reason if the outside pressure leveraging their ignorance stopped.
It is a mixed bag, but the people who can be saved don’t think these things are related - they think ICE are going after criminals
They don’t think ethnic cleansing is the answer, they just think this is about crime