Biggest threat for our privacy is real in Switzerland !
#EID #Switzerland #Privacy
It’s limited by law to official services anyway. Your online shopping platform can’t ask you for E-ID verification.
E-ID is one thing we got right this (the second) time, imo.
If you’re pro-privacy, better fight against the inconstitutional VDS (complaint in EGMR still pending for years now).
Digitale Gesellschaft needs donations to launch the initiative to replace it with Quick Freeze.It’s limited by law to official services anyway
Do you think this may change in the future? Because, change in such law is what potentially makes this predatory.
Such limit to this law is the best case scenario. And definitely something I’ll support, but the chance it might extend further is what holds me and others away from this.
Unlikely. This country takes it’s health data sensibility very seriously for tens of years now. Deterioration of such things would be seen as an abuse of trust by the people and the political allies. That’s one thing that still mostly works here.
First, one piece: the means; Next, the second piece: the law
the group that organized the referendum against the first version is actually supporting this one:
Almost all parties that refused the first time were for it this time. It is completly differently inplemented this second time.
I saw that. I also realized that some of them are not only supporting it, but are also working for the government on this project.
Please don’t jump to conclusions. A well implemented eID can even improve privacy compared to the alternative of accessing big parts of the internet by trusting private companies to handle sensitive information like photos of physical IDs.
There is something in cryptography called Zero Knowledge Proof. With it only minimal information is exchanged and no party can tell anything about the person accessing it, i.e. the website who you are or profiling your ID, nor the verifier or issuer what you’re doing.
Without knowing how the eID will be implemented, you can’t just make such blanket statements. Want to know the details? It is open source and you can look up any technical details as well as the software code publicly.
Zero Knowledge Proof in combination with the SOLID project would be the best situation
Or just not have bullshit age verification to begin with. 98% of anything I do online shouldn’t need proof of who I am. Right down to my email provider.
Deanonymization isn’t about age gate bullshit, it’s about doxxing you. Think of the children is and has always been BULLSHIT, children are the enemy, children are merely human shield and Israel shows what is to be done with human shields.
If an entity successfully deploys deanonymizing technology and profits, they will outbreed non-deanonymizing entities.
Therefore, anything that DARES to employs this technology is the enemy and the enemy is to be EXTERMINATED.
Think of the children is and has always been BULLSHIT
hell yeah!
children are the enemy
Ah, we’re having a normal one today 😆
May I remind you that you were a child back in the day.
But yeah, it goes really bad when the govt. starts to replace the parent’s duty for child’s safety.
I remember, it was really terrible, we had severely regimented time schedules controlled by clocks and bell. We had to go there with hours-long bus rides. I remember watching the clock, watching every second tick while one person was talking to everyone about really profoundly boring things which they could not and would not articulate the relevance of beyond an immediate examination and far of idea of “the labout marketplace” in which we would all compete against one another to avoid homelessness and death. I could read on the computer at home about the things they were saying, it was obvious at the time this information would have no practical use whatsoever to anyone but I could not imagine an alternative so I kept going until they gave me some papers after 13 years of this. Of course now I understand why, we were doing appearance of productivity, as training for our future as obedient workers who would do what they were told. The subject of the matter was not the point, it was being moulded into docility. This is why there was no clarity as to what use the information lectured about would have. It only needed to appear to be productive and useful, it did not have to be relevant or interesting as we were a captive audience, fearful of this homelessness situation we would find ourselves in if we disobeyed. This was the social stalemate that kept us from being sent to the mines IMMEDIATELY, we were supposed to be grateful and happy that we didn’t have to work in the field, picking rocks and vegetables in the field with the undocumented immigrants.
We were a captive audience, this is why it didn’t have to be interesting, that was not the point, the teacher tried really hard, I could see it hurt them to be our jailors, they tried to make it fun, but we knew we were in prison even if we couldn’t articulate it. The teaching prison guards had their empathy eventually dried out and shrivel, they tried spending their own money to make it tolerable for us and they were met with disinterested ungratefulness, no recognition from us nor the bosses. The cheerful colourful decorations of our jail cells somehow made things worse, like something was wrong with US for being unhappy with the situation.
It can be implemented well but often isn’t. Likely eID will force you to use an mobile app (no website or Linux app, yay) that is only available on Apple’s app store or GPlay. And if you want to run a degoogled android ROM good luck with that when they force Play Integrity. Basically shoving everyone into either the Apple or Google walled garden along with the complementary spyware of both gardens and also screwing anyone who uses a non-smart phone either out of choice or circumstance.
The country’s official app for COVID immunity certificates or whatever they were called was available on F-Droid at the time.
That would be my biggest worry as well. Although this isn’t specified yet, I assume that they would develop the software for Google/Apple. IIRC the Digitale Gesellschaft, a privacy advocacy group, has mentioned this as feedback about a year ago. I don’t know what was done with that though. Other issues were included in the development plan though.
Also: With how this law is worded, no one is forced to use an eID. You can go the old fashioned way and e.g. go to the traffic office in person.
exactly, and if I don’t like it I won’t use it. managed to live without a phone for some months so living without an eID will be possible too
to the alternative of accessing big parts of the internet by trusting private companies
Let me stop you right there, how about no to that, and no to whatever EID is too.
And anything that does, fire, that’s my solution ? Want EID ? Eat fire.
I thought ZKP were one of the buzzwords, guess it’s something tangible and useful.
It’s a buzzword in crypto but has real applications outside of that
In most Web3 blockchains ZeroKnowledgeProof aren’t proof. They often only have the succinctness of the proof and this is enough for the marketing team.
Also there is many things valuable in modern cryptography thanks to Bitcoin and other chains, blockchain and crypto are buzzwords for sure but that doesn’t mean that i’s 100% BS.
Our eID app (eDoklady) stores the data as passkeys, so you can easily selfhost something like Bitwarden if you want the digital representation of your ID stored with you.
And when it comes to verification on the website, it goes like this with ZKProofs:
if verification_app.status().is_ok() { continue }That’s a good way to do it, I’m all for digital ID if it’s implemented like that
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