Alice Weidel, the head of the surging far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) accused Merz’s conservatives of war-mongering for even considering the idea of ground troops, slamming it as “dangerous and irresponsible”.

Even Merz’s Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul warned sending troops to Ukraine “would probably overwhelm us”.

There is unease in Germany over troop deployments given its Nazi past and more recent deployments to Afghanistan and Mali that were widely seen as failures. There is also a backlash against spending billions of euros on military aid for Ukraine when Germany’s own economy is struggling.

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    Honestly, for Europe the choice is to fight Russian in Ukraine now, or fight them in other European countries later. No sane person wants war, but if Russia succeeds in Ukraine it’s only going to want more. Much better to fight them in someone else’s country while they’re struggling, than let them gain control over that country and it’s population and resources, which it can then mobilize for further conquest.

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      Your comment contains a lot of oversimplifications:

      • The options are not limited to “fight in Ukraine” or “fight elsewhere later.” A spectrum of diplomatic, economic, and limited military responses exists along a continuum.
      • As currently constituted, European militaries lack sufficient capacity to “fight Russia in Ukraine” in any direct sense without American participation, making the proposed choice somewhat theoretical.
      • The statement fails to account for Russian nuclear threats that have successfully constrained Western military responses throughout the conflict. This factor would remain regardless of where confrontation with Russia occurs.

      Many experts call for the pursuit of diplomatic pathways out of the stalemate to avoid a protracted war and further escalation. The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace has published numerous analytical pieces (e.g., by analyst Eugene Rumer) emphasizing that without realistic diplomatic negotiations about Europe’s future security architecture, the conflict risks turning into a frozen, yet smoldering phase for years to come.

      https://www.cfr.org/article/neutrality-alternative-ukraines-membership-nato

      An alternative scenario is a strategy that involves not “fighting the Russians in Ukraine” but maximally strengthening Europe’s own defensiveness and supporting Ukraine to strengthen its position in potential negotiations. Dr Barbara Kunz and Dan Smith from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), have noted that the EU and NATO’s long-term strategy should focus on scaling up their own defense production and capabilities, not just on supplying arms to Ukraine.

      However, instead of focusing on the dynamics outlined above, today’s wider European security debate is very much about Russia’s alleged true essence as an imperial or colonial power. There is no doubt that Russia’s actions, which include invading a sovereign country, and its regime’s rhetoric are deeply worrying and unacceptable. But solely focusing on Russian identity for explanations overlooks the dynamic nature of international relations. Russia’s perceptions of the West and its actions are rarely discussed. Nor is how the West’s actions affect strategic stability. While Russia’s intentions are clearly a crucial factor for European security, debating Russia’s nature tends to be highly speculative.

      https://www.sipri.org/commentary/essay/2024/nato-new-need-some-old-ideas

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      Russian hasn’t done a single thing that Europe didn’t find entirely acceptable when it was being done by themselves, the US, or Israel.

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        So you agree Russia is doing absolutely awful things?

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          Yeah, but nothing that the West hadn’t already normalised. And still not as awful as what Germany is supporting in Gaza right now

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      Honestly, for Europe the choice is to fight Russian in Ukraine now, or fight them in other European countries later.

      I totally agree, don’t listen to the tankies here! That’s why every European should sign up for Ukraine’s foreign legion as soon as possible! Let me know folks if you need any help with that.

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      After 3½ years of fighting Russia hasn’t even taken all of the Donbas yet, never mind Ukraine. They couldn’t continue on invading Europe even if they wanted to, which they don’t.

      This kind of confusion is what happens when you misunderstand why the war started in the first place. Previously.